Nobody shoots someone in the head for "no reason" either. The implication is that the reason is bogus and unjustified and therefor basically non-existent, just like murdering an unborn baby has no justifiable reason.
I also said "almost identical". Either way the end result is the same and that was my point. The unjustifiable murder of an unborn baby.
Not supporting the murder of unborn children is not fanaticism, it's called not being a degenerate. It's either a child and you can never kill it, or it isn't a child until birth and you can kill it any time before birth. And no, there's no magic moment where it goes from a clump of cells to being a child in the womb.
The left has pushed so far that regular beliefs are now "fanaticism". The sharp move to the far left is extremely inorganic and forced and thus should be ignored.
The middle ground is between no abortion and abortion with moderate to heavy regulation. Not between no abortion and abortion 5 months after birth or whatever other bullshit. This is just one example of the far lefts affect on society. Their move to the extreme left has stretched out what's considered the "middle" so people who take normal positions on the right that are only slightly more to the right than others are now massive extremists who are miles away from the "center".
And what do you even think finding a middle ground is? Everyone wanting the middle ground? No, it's people on both ends of the spectrum agreeing to compromise on something that isn't quite what they wanted instead of staying locked in argument over it and getting nothing done. This spectrum does not and should not include an ideology of literal child groomers and post-birth baby murderers. This is also where leftists fail, they can't compromise on anything without it being utterly superficial and meaningless.
I want abortion to be illegal and treated as just as barbaric as the gladiator matches of the past (because it is), that doesn't mean I won't compromise and support a ban with exceptions for rape or one that allows abortion before a heartbeat. But I'm also not going to stop saying what I believe and pushing for what I believe is right. I also won't "compromise" between vastly different extremes. Such as allowing late term abortion as a "compromise" between no abortion and post-birth abortion. That kind of shit is simply out of the range of reasonable views and shouldn't be entertained or attempted to find middle ground with.
I already gave you the basic common law legal definitions for murder. This isn't the "lefts effect." Common law was carried over from English common law. Under English common law abortion wasn't murder. There were laws for gestational limits for many abortions but I do not know of any that would imprison a woman or doctor for something as far reaching as murder that didn't result in the woman's death from a botched abortion. I'm fine with having gestational limits. I'm not fine with fanatics being legal experts. One sides hyperbolic nonsense drives the other sides hyperbolic nonsense.
"The scenario is also almost identical to what abortion is."
No, nobody gets abortion for "no reason."
Nobody shoots someone in the head for "no reason" either. The implication is that the reason is bogus and unjustified and therefor basically non-existent, just like murdering an unborn baby has no justifiable reason.
I also said "almost identical". Either way the end result is the same and that was my point. The unjustifiable murder of an unborn baby.
And you think you're going to find a middle ground when you're one of the fanatics on the right?
Not supporting the murder of unborn children is not fanaticism, it's called not being a degenerate. It's either a child and you can never kill it, or it isn't a child until birth and you can kill it any time before birth. And no, there's no magic moment where it goes from a clump of cells to being a child in the womb.
The left has pushed so far that regular beliefs are now "fanaticism". The sharp move to the far left is extremely inorganic and forced and thus should be ignored.
The middle ground is between no abortion and abortion with moderate to heavy regulation. Not between no abortion and abortion 5 months after birth or whatever other bullshit. This is just one example of the far lefts affect on society. Their move to the extreme left has stretched out what's considered the "middle" so people who take normal positions on the right that are only slightly more to the right than others are now massive extremists who are miles away from the "center".
And what do you even think finding a middle ground is? Everyone wanting the middle ground? No, it's people on both ends of the spectrum agreeing to compromise on something that isn't quite what they wanted instead of staying locked in argument over it and getting nothing done. This spectrum does not and should not include an ideology of literal child groomers and post-birth baby murderers. This is also where leftists fail, they can't compromise on anything without it being utterly superficial and meaningless.
I want abortion to be illegal and treated as just as barbaric as the gladiator matches of the past (because it is), that doesn't mean I won't compromise and support a ban with exceptions for rape or one that allows abortion before a heartbeat. But I'm also not going to stop saying what I believe and pushing for what I believe is right. I also won't "compromise" between vastly different extremes. Such as allowing late term abortion as a "compromise" between no abortion and post-birth abortion. That kind of shit is simply out of the range of reasonable views and shouldn't be entertained or attempted to find middle ground with.
I already gave you the basic common law legal definitions for murder. This isn't the "lefts effect." Common law was carried over from English common law. Under English common law abortion wasn't murder. There were laws for gestational limits for many abortions but I do not know of any that would imprison a woman or doctor for something as far reaching as murder that didn't result in the woman's death from a botched abortion. I'm fine with having gestational limits. I'm not fine with fanatics being legal experts. One sides hyperbolic nonsense drives the other sides hyperbolic nonsense.