I'm finding it hard to get them to at least consider that we might have some "earthly help" with Trump and the military and Q and they are very black pilled and ready for rapture. Has anybody had the same issue?
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Your "Christian" friends sound like they are dispensational aka water baptists. Water baptism ended with John the Baptist, was only intended for the house of Israel back then and ushered in the Christ which under the covenant of Grace ushered in Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Current water baptism is a heresy. Dispensation doctrine has it's roots originating from the Schofield Bible and Darbyism. They also believe that the fake Jews (Edomites) are God's chosen people and their end time prophecy is practically changed on a weekly basis to accommodate their predictions of the Lord's return.
The confusion of their lack of support for President Trump is well documented, holding him to a standard they don't even come close to. Have they criticized Joe Biden? How about Obama and big Mike? Mike Pence? I bet they love him.
Do they hold everyone else to the same scrutiny? When they need a plumber? An electrician? When they shop for groceries? A carpenter? I highly advise staying away from Baptist churches.
Know God's Word. Get rid of all modern bibles and read from the 1611 King James. Just appropriately apply the words JUDEANS and JUDAHITES where they belong where you see the word IEWE which was replaced with the word Jew in the 1700's then everything fits and makes sense.
Remember when you read a Bible that has the word Jew, Satan did that. They want you to believe that they are Judahites (Jacob) when they are nothing but Judeans (Esau).
Interesting the word "Semite" originated in the 1700's as well.
The more I personally know and learn about the true doctrine in scripture I have a pretty good template I can place over any church, any person, any group of people and any country to see how well things line up. I have been fooled way too many times in my life.
I think you need to reread the Book of Acts, specifically this passage.
Acts 10:44-48
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
The uncircumcised Gentiles were baptized by the Holy Spirit and still got water baptisms afterwards. The Holy Spirit called them to do so, no doubt.
I agree with your statements about Dispensationalism, but you're missing a major part of its history, which is its origins and the reason for its development in the first place.
John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren was indeed the first Protestant to codify Dispensationalism, and the Scofield Bible is indeed one of the main reasons the doctrine became widespread.
With that being said, Darby was merely a Protestant front man.
Francisco Ribera, a Jesuit priest, developed an interpretation of Bible prophecy as part of his Counter-Reformation efforts. His sole goal was to destroy the Protestant reformation teachings which declared the Pope is the antichrist and the Roman Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon.
Fellow Jesuit priest Cardinal Robert Bellarmine picked up where Ribera left off, and similarly, Manuel Lacunza grabbed the baton from Bellarmine.
Lacunza died a year after Darby began preaching Dispensationalism, and there's a reason no Jesuit refined Lacunza's work even further.
Wiki's a terrible source for most things, but they got this right-
Manuel Diaz Lacunza S.J. (born Santiago, Chile, 1731; died Imola, Italy around June 18, 1801) was a Jesuit priest who used the pen-name Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra for his main work on the interpretation of the prophecies of the Bible.
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Following the book's publication in London, the Rev Edward Irving, founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church, came across Lacunza's work and was so impressed by it that he studied Castilian for the sole purpose of translating it into English. In 1827 his two-volume translation was published under the title "The Coming of the Messiah".
https://archive.ph/V6zQT
Reverend Edward Irving translated Lacunza's book "The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty" into English.
Based on the preface to Irving's translation, one learns Irving was fooled by Lacunza's Jewish pen name and believed him to be a Converted Jew. It's highly likely the fact Pope Leo XII placed Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra's book on the Index of Prohibited Books also lowered his guard and prevented him from doing his due diligence on the true origin of the book.
Darby relied heavily on Irving's translation and introduced Jesuit error into the Protestant world, either knowingly or unknowingly. We do know Darby thought about joining the Anglican Church, which is very close to Roman Catholicism in most matters.
I find it interesting you mention "the covenant of Grace" while simultaneously speaking out against Dispensationalism.
What's the difference between the "the covenant of Grace" and the "Dispensation of grace?" Do you prescribe to the three covenant theory, of works, faith, and redemption?
If I had to guess, you're either a member of the Reformed church or a Calvinist, especially due to your position on water baptism, but correct me if I'm wrong.
I disagree with your statements about "the covenant of Grace."
Grace isn't strictly a New Testament thing-
Genesis 6:8
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
Exodus 33:17
And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
Jeremiah 31:2
Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
Repentance for forgiveness of sins was just as much a part of the Jewish religion as it is in true Christianity today.
We need to get back to the Word and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. There's a lifetime of study awaiting and we'll never understand it all until after the end of the world. We can't rely on preachers from any denomination and we need to test their sermons according to the Word just like the Bereans did.
No I'm just a Spirit filled believer. A truth seeker.
The book of Acts is the history of the early church. It's not necessarily doctrine. In it we find growing pains and mistakes made. Peter was criticized by Paul because he was telling the heathen they needed to be circumcised.
Then trying to carry on the ritual of water baptism that was terminated with John the Baptist when the Christ showed up. Later he wrote this...
KJV standard
1 Peter 3:21
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
Baptism means to immerse and could mean anything. Immerse in water, immerse in mud, immerse in the Word of God and this case Peter is clearly referring to Baptism of the Spirit. (Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh i.e. water)
Also Paul in his epistles hardly brought up water baptism. Only a thing of the past. Yesterday's news.
To have a baptismal in a church is abject idolatry because they can't spin it any other way than it's required for salvation when salvation is a gift of God and not of works. We are chosen by the will of God.
Now to those who practice Judaism. Judaism is often a satanic cult of Baal doctrine, child sacrifice, Babylonian Talmud and antichrist.
Repentance is summed up nicely by Charles Spurgeon.
"Repentance grows as faith grows. Do not make any mistake about it; repentance is not a thing of days and weeks, a temporary penance to be got over as fast as possible! No; it is the grace of a lifetime, like faith itself. God's little children repent, and so do the young men and the fathers. Repentance is the inseparable companion of faith".
Spurgeon on God's elect and Calvinism. This is where dispensationals get tangled up. You can't go soul winning because it's God that draws and saves his elect. Typical water baptists calling names that if you believe the scripture you are a Calvinist or Pentacostal if you believe in Baptism of the Spirit but the Jews are God's chosen people. Pulease .
Spurgeon..
"And I have my own private opinion, that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism. Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in his dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor, I think, can we preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the peculiar redemption which Christ made for his elect and chosen people; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation, after having believed. Such a gospel I abhor. The gospel of the Bible is not such a gospel as that. We preach Christ and him crucified in a different fashion, and to all gainsayers we reply, ‘We have not so learned Christ.’ [Spurgeon’s Sermons, vol. I (Baker Books, reprinted 2007), 88-89.]"
I have just been learning about the Scofield bible/Jesuit stuff involving idolizing the modern day nation of "Israel" and dispensational teachings.
Does anyone have any references to theological teachings/writings from before Scofield/Ribera/Lacunza that dealt with these same topics but from a more biblical/true perspective?
What did people believe about these things before Ribera/Lacunza/Scofield?
Great comment.
Thank you. I might add that with God all things are possible. If you have family members or friends you are trying to reach, inject some wisdom of God in your conversation with them without being too preachy and pray always for them.