So you've reached a decision point in your argument. You told me the Bible is not correct. So it's either right or wrong, there is no partiality. You have to look at concepts from the ends of it, not the mainstream of it. So the Bible is true, there is a God who loves you and sent his Son to die for you, and gave you the Holy Spirit until the return of Christ, or disregard the whole religion. You cannot parse through what you find acceptable, then claim any part of Christianity.
To look at from, say, a muslim point of view, they believe in a vengeful god, to whom they must appeal to him, so that they may earn salvation by committing acts of violence upon non-believers. Obv. I'm looking at one of the more egregious beliefs of theirs. (See David Wood, YouTuber for info on Islamic religion, great resource). They believe Jesus existed, but was not the Christ, he was not in their eyes, the Son of God.
I'm not saying to deny Christianity means you have to put yourself in a make believe world where you believe A-Z of Christianity or you must oppose it, what I AM saying, is that you cannot say I believe D-J, M-P, and S-W, then claim you are a Christian, nor misuse Jesus' name for some sort of ... advantage? I don't know why you've brought him up in previous comments, like he is God, then he's not God, it's all very confusing. You can believe whatever you like about Jesus, but to use a Christian term or appeal to Christians (in what seems to me like a deceptive way), you must hold to some core tenets of the Christian faith. If there isn't a core, there's truly nothing there, let's circle back to the first paragraph. You have to take these things to their logical extremes or ends to truly know if there is actually truth in the message.
Many messages sound good, sound appealing, sound truthful. This does not make them true nor good. If someone tells you a thousand truths to get you to believe one lie, do you lump sum the good vs the bad then measure out the difference, or do you stand up against the lie, the bad. I assure you, that is why we are today where we are.
We need men who care, care about primarily their families, but also their culture, their children and grandchildren's society. They need to fight with everything they've got to promote strong moral values to the next generation. This is why the love and peace movement has no real steam.
You say if all I know is the Bible, then the Bibles is all I know, I disagree, I can never know the depths nor the riches of the Bible. It's the only book I can read over and over and glean new information from. I can live a personally better life because of the hope that lies within it. The wisdom books are an amazing blessing, and even atheists will read the book of Proverbs because of its great insight. I long for the day I could know the Bible, may a couple million years of heaven. I debated using the Bible, because you challenged me on the Bible. So why you're making the argument you making seems kind of irrelevant. I've debated a coworker on a waterjet machine using a waterjet operator's manual, because it was the authority on operations of the waterjet machine. The difference being I believe God's word is perfect, whereas man is faulted. In the Bible, God had told and inspired man as to what to say, so that it may be whole, lacking nothing.
66 Books, double incompletion numbers. Yes, I agree. The completion of the Bible occurs upon... the completion of the Bible, when Christ returns. We then get a fully rounded view of God's plan. If we had 77 Books, then I'd say welcome to paradise, here and now. To me, that's a scary thought.
We have different understandings. You require a story and take the Bible literally. I understand the Bible was written as a metaphor so people could easily digest it. I never said it was wrong.
When you take the Bible literally it holds you back and closes your mind.
Have you ever experienced synchronicity? Unity consciousness?
I am not interested in arguing with you about the Bible I am trying to help people realize that they do not need to wait around to be saved. That's all.
You are misusing the name of Jesus either way. If you are saying Jesus as an arrow in your quiver, you are misusing his name. No one can come to the Father except through me he says. So if you read what he says, if you read what is said about Jesus, you will realize that Christianity professes ONE way to salvation. If Jesus is an arrow in your quiver, than he is not actually there at all.
We have to realize that we are not gods. This may seem almost silly, as most of us realize our limitations, but that is not the intended meaning. We see ourselves as gods when we mentally place ourselves above:
God, the rest of mankind, the natural order.
Not to say we don't explore the natural order to truly understand it, for God calls us to do that.
Not to say we obey any and all mankind, God does not command us to do that.
Not even to say we don't ask God why, because throughout the scriptures, men of faith have had questions for God. He's not an a-hole in the heavens seeking our misery unless we prove ourselves worthy. He's a loving Father, willing to save, willing to discipline, and yes, willing to condemn.
When we violate the authority of God, we actually bind ourselves. We close our own eyes. No one can explain the triune God, the expanse of heaven, what infinite life without sin looks like and feels like. No one can explain a lot of things, because our human minds are so limited. Knowing God (through his written word) is actually a great insight. People spend their whole lives to understanding it, and die longing to know more. To say you know more than them and to sit in judgement over them, is the most modern idiotic thing I've heard. The fact that we have access to the internet doesnt make us smart. It actually makes us dumb. I'm not denying the benefits it brings, but who nowadays remembers anything, we can just "look it up". Who controls that, google bing ddg yandex brave all have our inputs and at any point can be controlled. The knowledge that cannot be controlled is what is in your head, and written books.
Same for money, they can freeze your digital assets. Crypto, savings, checkings, and the like. They are all easily controlled. Cash and physical silver/gold are the only true forms of currency.
We may be a very "smart" generation of humanity, but we are also dumb. Who memorizes things anymore? The Bible is the same. There are different translations, some good, many bad. The message of the actual Bible (not this translation or that) is one message, it is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Jesus is not coming back. His way of BEING [state of mind] is coming back because the vibration of the planet is raising. When enough people raise their personal vibration humanity as a whole will harmonize and the planet will move into the 5th dimension. I can not make it any simpler than that.
Society is designed to keep us at a low vibration. They want us steeped in fear and division. They are holding humanity back on purpose.
Enjoy the rest of your week. It was nice talking with you.
If all you know is the Bible then the Bible is all you know.
Raise your consciousness, raise your awareness.
So you've reached a decision point in your argument. You told me the Bible is not correct. So it's either right or wrong, there is no partiality. You have to look at concepts from the ends of it, not the mainstream of it. So the Bible is true, there is a God who loves you and sent his Son to die for you, and gave you the Holy Spirit until the return of Christ, or disregard the whole religion. You cannot parse through what you find acceptable, then claim any part of Christianity.
To look at from, say, a muslim point of view, they believe in a vengeful god, to whom they must appeal to him, so that they may earn salvation by committing acts of violence upon non-believers. Obv. I'm looking at one of the more egregious beliefs of theirs. (See David Wood, YouTuber for info on Islamic religion, great resource). They believe Jesus existed, but was not the Christ, he was not in their eyes, the Son of God.
I'm not saying to deny Christianity means you have to put yourself in a make believe world where you believe A-Z of Christianity or you must oppose it, what I AM saying, is that you cannot say I believe D-J, M-P, and S-W, then claim you are a Christian, nor misuse Jesus' name for some sort of ... advantage? I don't know why you've brought him up in previous comments, like he is God, then he's not God, it's all very confusing. You can believe whatever you like about Jesus, but to use a Christian term or appeal to Christians (in what seems to me like a deceptive way), you must hold to some core tenets of the Christian faith. If there isn't a core, there's truly nothing there, let's circle back to the first paragraph. You have to take these things to their logical extremes or ends to truly know if there is actually truth in the message.
Many messages sound good, sound appealing, sound truthful. This does not make them true nor good. If someone tells you a thousand truths to get you to believe one lie, do you lump sum the good vs the bad then measure out the difference, or do you stand up against the lie, the bad. I assure you, that is why we are today where we are.
We need men who care, care about primarily their families, but also their culture, their children and grandchildren's society. They need to fight with everything they've got to promote strong moral values to the next generation. This is why the love and peace movement has no real steam.
You say if all I know is the Bible, then the Bibles is all I know, I disagree, I can never know the depths nor the riches of the Bible. It's the only book I can read over and over and glean new information from. I can live a personally better life because of the hope that lies within it. The wisdom books are an amazing blessing, and even atheists will read the book of Proverbs because of its great insight. I long for the day I could know the Bible, may a couple million years of heaven. I debated using the Bible, because you challenged me on the Bible. So why you're making the argument you making seems kind of irrelevant. I've debated a coworker on a waterjet machine using a waterjet operator's manual, because it was the authority on operations of the waterjet machine. The difference being I believe God's word is perfect, whereas man is faulted. In the Bible, God had told and inspired man as to what to say, so that it may be whole, lacking nothing.
66 Books, double incompletion numbers. Yes, I agree. The completion of the Bible occurs upon... the completion of the Bible, when Christ returns. We then get a fully rounded view of God's plan. If we had 77 Books, then I'd say welcome to paradise, here and now. To me, that's a scary thought.
We have different understandings. You require a story and take the Bible literally. I understand the Bible was written as a metaphor so people could easily digest it. I never said it was wrong.
When you take the Bible literally it holds you back and closes your mind.
Have you ever experienced synchronicity? Unity consciousness?
I am not interested in arguing with you about the Bible I am trying to help people realize that they do not need to wait around to be saved. That's all.
https://youtu.be/0inLK9Bte0k
You are misusing the name of Jesus either way. If you are saying Jesus as an arrow in your quiver, you are misusing his name. No one can come to the Father except through me he says. So if you read what he says, if you read what is said about Jesus, you will realize that Christianity professes ONE way to salvation. If Jesus is an arrow in your quiver, than he is not actually there at all.
We have to realize that we are not gods. This may seem almost silly, as most of us realize our limitations, but that is not the intended meaning. We see ourselves as gods when we mentally place ourselves above:
God, the rest of mankind, the natural order.
Not to say we don't explore the natural order to truly understand it, for God calls us to do that.
Not to say we obey any and all mankind, God does not command us to do that.
Not even to say we don't ask God why, because throughout the scriptures, men of faith have had questions for God. He's not an a-hole in the heavens seeking our misery unless we prove ourselves worthy. He's a loving Father, willing to save, willing to discipline, and yes, willing to condemn.
When we violate the authority of God, we actually bind ourselves. We close our own eyes. No one can explain the triune God, the expanse of heaven, what infinite life without sin looks like and feels like. No one can explain a lot of things, because our human minds are so limited. Knowing God (through his written word) is actually a great insight. People spend their whole lives to understanding it, and die longing to know more. To say you know more than them and to sit in judgement over them, is the most modern idiotic thing I've heard. The fact that we have access to the internet doesnt make us smart. It actually makes us dumb. I'm not denying the benefits it brings, but who nowadays remembers anything, we can just "look it up". Who controls that, google bing ddg yandex brave all have our inputs and at any point can be controlled. The knowledge that cannot be controlled is what is in your head, and written books.
Same for money, they can freeze your digital assets. Crypto, savings, checkings, and the like. They are all easily controlled. Cash and physical silver/gold are the only true forms of currency.
We may be a very "smart" generation of humanity, but we are also dumb. Who memorizes things anymore? The Bible is the same. There are different translations, some good, many bad. The message of the actual Bible (not this translation or that) is one message, it is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
Jesus = UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
Why do people struggle with this?
EVERYTHING is energy, frequency, vibration.
Jesus is not coming back. His way of BEING [state of mind] is coming back because the vibration of the planet is raising. When enough people raise their personal vibration humanity as a whole will harmonize and the planet will move into the 5th dimension. I can not make it any simpler than that.
Society is designed to keep us at a low vibration. They want us steeped in fear and division. They are holding humanity back on purpose.
Enjoy the rest of your week. It was nice talking with you.