The original story was about the UPS customer breaking existing declaration of goods, hazmat, and firearms laws internally within the shipping system.
E.g. Shipper was not following UPS and Federal guidelines for the items they were shipping. I still see countless cases of ammunition and firearm longboxes shipped daily. Source: Im a package auditor, it's muh job.
Regarding the ammunition, most of the time you order a case of say this PMC 9mm in the video background, it's gotta be labeled one of three ways relating to package service level:
ORMD Bypass - Other Regulated Dangerous Goods - Blue exception sticker - Okay to ship via airplane without additional documentation
1.4S Explosives - Orange Diamond Label - Must be load planned for air transport and requires proper HAZMAT paperwork and must be audited internally by shipper. Typically these are always rejected for air transport and RTS'd or held in overgoods until disposal date if not claimed.
ORMD Misc - Black/White diamond label - May be suitable for air transport, must be audited internally.
Beyond these internal hurdles, local hurdles based on recipients location also pose variables. Live in a state that doesn't allow 1.4s explosives to be transported by mail? Service denial/failure. Lack of identifying stickers, paperwork, and or failure to remove or cover irrelevant HAZMAT markings (e.g. reused box) will also trigger denial of transport and stopping of progress internally.
Really though, when it comes to cases of bullets Occam' s Razor explains away most of this hyperbole: Cases of ammo weigh a lot! They are in flimsy ass single wall cartons. UPS system and employees are notoriously hard on package treatment. It's at least weekly I see spilled bullets inside of trailers, cans, and DMP area. In short, one toss from a loader and your cheap case of ammo is busted and spilled for the next center to find as a mess when they open up the trailer. Shit then gets either swept up and RTS'd, sent on to destination if they think they've "salvaged" the box contents, or swept into a plastic litter pan and sent to DMP/OVG for eventual disposal or pick up.
Going back to the gun story from several weeks ago, that shipper was shipping "custom" firearms. It was an FFL violation most likely. E.g. Shipping something maybe that's legal in FL but illegal in NY.
The ammo thing is such a joke. Ammo is right up there with cases of loose screws, nails, nuts, bolts, etc. All come in these boxes smaller than say a standard sized shoebox. All are incredibly dense and heavy. The smaller + heavier a box = The easier it is to bust open. A similar example is cases of copy paper. Dense, heavy, typically only held together with a singular plastic band. The distributors and manufacturers shipping this shit know they are cutting costs in the proper packaging department...
Additionally, the blue collar folks who typically stack/unload/scan are notoriously rough on package handling, get paid shit, have to work without central heat or a/c, and UPS does not give a shit what-so-ever.
You think they would attempt to fire a union protected employee for "tossing" a 50 lb box of ammo...? Shit MGMT isn't even going to discipline their grunt labor workers who typically lift/lower ~50,000 lbs of boxes cumulatively over the course of a few hours in a single shift!
And this is why I tell everyone I know to ship Fed Ex. I can't say it's any better than UPS or USPS... But I've seen the nightmare shitshow that the latter puts your packages through and maybe it's just the same over at Fed Ex, but I've not had to witness it for 20+ yrs like I have for the other two shipping entities.
Yup, totally....if i remember something from that post a few weeks ago, "ghost guns" were in the conversation as well. What can brown do for you? Well.......lol
There was a big chat about there on here about a month ago. Allegedly UPS was stopping to ship guns & ammo.
Yeah it was BS, same as Dahboo777 here.
The original story was about the UPS customer breaking existing declaration of goods, hazmat, and firearms laws internally within the shipping system.
E.g. Shipper was not following UPS and Federal guidelines for the items they were shipping. I still see countless cases of ammunition and firearm longboxes shipped daily. Source: Im a package auditor, it's muh job.
Regarding the ammunition, most of the time you order a case of say this PMC 9mm in the video background, it's gotta be labeled one of three ways relating to package service level:
Beyond these internal hurdles, local hurdles based on recipients location also pose variables. Live in a state that doesn't allow 1.4s explosives to be transported by mail? Service denial/failure. Lack of identifying stickers, paperwork, and or failure to remove or cover irrelevant HAZMAT markings (e.g. reused box) will also trigger denial of transport and stopping of progress internally.
Really though, when it comes to cases of bullets Occam' s Razor explains away most of this hyperbole: Cases of ammo weigh a lot! They are in flimsy ass single wall cartons. UPS system and employees are notoriously hard on package treatment. It's at least weekly I see spilled bullets inside of trailers, cans, and DMP area. In short, one toss from a loader and your cheap case of ammo is busted and spilled for the next center to find as a mess when they open up the trailer. Shit then gets either swept up and RTS'd, sent on to destination if they think they've "salvaged" the box contents, or swept into a plastic litter pan and sent to DMP/OVG for eventual disposal or pick up.
Thanks for the explanation and thanks for auditing the brown!
Heh, no problem.
Going back to the gun story from several weeks ago, that shipper was shipping "custom" firearms. It was an FFL violation most likely. E.g. Shipping something maybe that's legal in FL but illegal in NY.
The ammo thing is such a joke. Ammo is right up there with cases of loose screws, nails, nuts, bolts, etc. All come in these boxes smaller than say a standard sized shoebox. All are incredibly dense and heavy. The smaller + heavier a box = The easier it is to bust open. A similar example is cases of copy paper. Dense, heavy, typically only held together with a singular plastic band. The distributors and manufacturers shipping this shit know they are cutting costs in the proper packaging department...
Additionally, the blue collar folks who typically stack/unload/scan are notoriously rough on package handling, get paid shit, have to work without central heat or a/c, and UPS does not give a shit what-so-ever.
You think they would attempt to fire a union protected employee for "tossing" a 50 lb box of ammo...? Shit MGMT isn't even going to discipline their grunt labor workers who typically lift/lower ~50,000 lbs of boxes cumulatively over the course of a few hours in a single shift!
And this is why I tell everyone I know to ship Fed Ex. I can't say it's any better than UPS or USPS... But I've seen the nightmare shitshow that the latter puts your packages through and maybe it's just the same over at Fed Ex, but I've not had to witness it for 20+ yrs like I have for the other two shipping entities.
Yup, totally....if i remember something from that post a few weeks ago, "ghost guns" were in the conversation as well. What can brown do for you? Well.......lol