Certainly not intending to call you out. Just trying to enhance the discussion and dig into it a bit.
This is a very important discussion and worth this community understanding as deeply as possible.
I see your other comment on this thread as well so I'll just keep my response to both in this same comment.
First of all, I would love for someone to go in to more detail about birth certificates and what they actually mean. If the United States actually became a corporation and is no longer a sovereign entity that was established between 1776 and 1789 (from declaration of independence, through the articles of confederation, and up to the ratification of the United States Constitution) then that is a full stop moment. Why the hell wouldn't we still be the nation we were founded as? Again, someone else better informed should explain this to all of us, with sauce.
The use of the word Citizen, Subject, and National is critical to this discussion.
Subjects basically are slaves. They have to do what their king or feudal lord tells them to do. That's not us.
Nationals are citizens of one country that are in other countries for work or travel. If you are a US national in Syria and shit hits the fan, you go to the embassy, and as a US national, you have rights at that embassy. They can get you out, etc.
Citizens are what I believe we are if we live in the country of our birth and retain our loyalty to our nation. If you come to our country Illegally, you are not a citizen. If you are visiting, you are not a citizen.
Only Citizens have the right to vote. If this were not the case, a foreign country could send their people in to vote and completely destroy a country. (Makes you wonder if that is exactly what is happening, doesn't it?)
In the United States, our government only exists by the Consent of the Governed. Only Citizens can provide that Consent to our government. People tend to take the point of view that there is nothing we can do about our federal government. It's too big. Too powerful. Etc.
This is not true at all. If the Citizens of the United States decide to no longer provide consent to the government we agreed to let run our nation, that government no longer exists. Individual States have also provided their consent to the federal government. If those states no longer consent to be part of the federal government, they could take action to leave the union. We've fought a civil war over this idea in the past. So we all know it can happen.
The wisdom of our Founding Father's was to restrict the power of the federal government. The only powers the federal government has are those powers explicitly granted to the federal government in the US Constitution. All other powers are reserved for the States, or The People.
"The People" referenced in the constitution are the Citizens of the United States.
This is why I believe the term Citizen is so important and powerful.
We The People are Citizens of the United States of America.
No brother, I'm not looking to fool myself. You helped me. So thanks a bunch.
I am told that understanding maritime and admiralty law is key understand this. They view us from a different light than what we are taught.
Born of water at sea, a Registered person called a nurse Assigns us a numbered certificate, we are in a Ward under the state until that certificate is issued. Their language.
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Certainly not intending to call you out. Just trying to enhance the discussion and dig into it a bit.
This is a very important discussion and worth this community understanding as deeply as possible.
I see your other comment on this thread as well so I'll just keep my response to both in this same comment.
First of all, I would love for someone to go in to more detail about birth certificates and what they actually mean. If the United States actually became a corporation and is no longer a sovereign entity that was established between 1776 and 1789 (from declaration of independence, through the articles of confederation, and up to the ratification of the United States Constitution) then that is a full stop moment. Why the hell wouldn't we still be the nation we were founded as? Again, someone else better informed should explain this to all of us, with sauce.
The use of the word Citizen, Subject, and National is critical to this discussion.
Subjects basically are slaves. They have to do what their king or feudal lord tells them to do. That's not us.
Nationals are citizens of one country that are in other countries for work or travel. If you are a US national in Syria and shit hits the fan, you go to the embassy, and as a US national, you have rights at that embassy. They can get you out, etc.
Citizens are what I believe we are if we live in the country of our birth and retain our loyalty to our nation. If you come to our country Illegally, you are not a citizen. If you are visiting, you are not a citizen.
Only Citizens have the right to vote. If this were not the case, a foreign country could send their people in to vote and completely destroy a country. (Makes you wonder if that is exactly what is happening, doesn't it?)
In the United States, our government only exists by the Consent of the Governed. Only Citizens can provide that Consent to our government. People tend to take the point of view that there is nothing we can do about our federal government. It's too big. Too powerful. Etc.
This is not true at all. If the Citizens of the United States decide to no longer provide consent to the government we agreed to let run our nation, that government no longer exists. Individual States have also provided their consent to the federal government. If those states no longer consent to be part of the federal government, they could take action to leave the union. We've fought a civil war over this idea in the past. So we all know it can happen.
The wisdom of our Founding Father's was to restrict the power of the federal government. The only powers the federal government has are those powers explicitly granted to the federal government in the US Constitution. All other powers are reserved for the States, or The People.
"The People" referenced in the constitution are the Citizens of the United States.
This is why I believe the term Citizen is so important and powerful.
We The People are Citizens of the United States of America.
No brother, I'm not looking to fool myself. You helped me. So thanks a bunch.
I am told that understanding maritime and admiralty law is key understand this. They view us from a different light than what we are taught.
Born of water at sea, a Registered person called a nurse Assigns us a numbered certificate, we are in a Ward under the state until that certificate is issued. Their language.
There is no question our government views us as their slaves. I can agree with that.
But we view the government working for us and only existing because of our consent.
These are the types of things that lead to major conflict as both sides declare they are right.
Thank you for your discussion on this brother. I truly appreciate your opinions.
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