Bible Verse Of The Day
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I am not "making an excuse for sin". Why you think this is a mystery to me. I was simply highlighting a passage that discusses the sinful nature of the flesh because of your insistence that Christians should not "identify as sinners" (which is not the same as "making excuses" or whatever). I would have included chapter 8, but I didn't think it was necessary to paste the entire Bible. But, since you insist:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Taken together Paul is saying that even though he (his flesh) is a dirty rotten stinking SINNER who can't stop sinning even though he wants to, he (his mind / spirit) is not guilty for the sin because he does not intentionally will to sin because he has the Holy Spirit within him. Because he sets his mind on the spiritual things rather than the fleshly things (spiritually minded), he is walking according to the spirit, even though he is still a SINNER. His sin is therefore covered by the grace and forgiveness of Christ Jesus and there is no condemnation.
This is what is meant in the verse you previously quoted from Galatians as well. Crucifying the flesh and walking in the Spirit. Your sinful flesh (the old man) is reckoned dead, and you walk in the spirit by fixing your mind and will on the spiritual things. It doesn't mean you aren't a sinner. It is impossible not to sin. If it weren't, you wouldn't need Jesus. This is not meant to be an excuse for sinning, it is merely the fact of the matter. One will sin, whether they intend to do so or not because the flesh is sinful. It is a matter of culpability.
Furthermore, Paul is very well known for calling himself chief of sinners.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
Is Paul therefore "making an excuse for sin"? Don't be ridiculous.
1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. They all go together, Paul's past was a cheifest sinner.
Paul is no longer that chief sinner. Neither are you. Paul went on to state his past sins, he was not saying he was presently a sinner. It’s a really bad habit of Christians to proclaim themselves sinners. Loosing battle for me to fight it, they are convinced of that lying doctrine more than the truth. It is a false church doctrine.
Paul is not a liar. You are. It is clear to me that you came here with the intent to be contentious and not to have a good faith discussion.
P.S. "of whom I AM chief."
Not I was. I AM. Words matter. Language matters. Don't play stupid games with me. The only false doctrine here is your own.
Yes, read the verses right above, he is talking about his past. Paul is a preacher of righteousness, he knows what it is to be the chiefest of sinners, but he darn sure was no longer the cheifest of sinners, neither are you.
You can't be righteous and a sinner, it's a contradictory in terms, bow maybe you don't understand righteousness, ao you think you can be both at the same time.
I have no doubt you still have a flesh and so do I, but we don't live by the flesh, we mortify it, we(our flesh) is crucified with Christ.
Now you want to call me ill intended because I talk doctrine with you? Grow up my friend.
When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
Romans 3:10
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;