This kind of argument is a way of accepting their terms. That what car we drive matters to the health of our planet.
It is conceding the high ground to them.
The planet is fine. It will be fine whether we all drive electric cars or we all drive internal combustion engine cars.
Electric cars will eventually win in the marketplace when battery tech improves. Lithium isn't good enough. But once you can charge as fast as filling up a gas tank, ICE cars will be a niche market for enthusiasts only.
Show me an electric car that can run through 2 feet of water when it floods and not have any damage. There is a lot more than just batteries that need to be worked on for them to be a viable option going forward. At this point they're only good for drag racing and virtue signaling.
Oil and gas produces literally almost everything. The amount in the gulf off of tx and LA would keep us running comfy for thousands of years with no consequence.
If you’re talking about uses for personal vehicles, how many people have trucks? To pull things, to drive through high waters, off road. Let’s take todays car for the family. A 9 hour road trip to favorite destination. Electric will run about 280 miles at 100% (I’ve heard that not true but we’ll use that number). So after about 31/2-4 hours, you have to find a “mega” charging station that will get you to 80% after about an hour. Another hour to 100%. So 3 1/2 hours is now 51/2 hours. Time to stop again. The 9 hour drive is now 13 and you still have to recharge.
Now do truckers… what effect on shipping, supply chain?
Do you know it’s an additional $8500 a year to have the super charger installed? Monthly fees for self driving and other add ons? Who can afford this? How do you keep people from traveling?
Electric cars will eventually win in the marketplace when battery tech improves. Lithium isn't good enough. But once you can charge as fast as filling up a gas tank, ICE cars will be a niche market for enthusiasts only.
As long as water doesn't end up in your computer or in your air intake you can drive a car in as deep of water as you want. You must be a city slicker if you don't think flooding is something that needs to be taken into account.
Tell me how well an electric boat would work that ships goods across the ocean. I'll give you a hint, it wouldn't work for shit. I've spent my entire life working on the ocean so I think I would know a little about the subject. Electric is a joke and it will never replace the combustion engine.
A ICE powered car that is not designed to operate in water will not operate in water.
An electric powered car that is not designed to operate in water will not operate water.
The market will choose electric cars the moment they become as cheap and convenient as gas-powered cars. They are quieter, smoother, and require a fraction of the maintenance.
Battery tech needs to improve, and our electric generation and grid needs to be improved, but these have been in constant improvement since electricity became a thing.
Agreed, cost effective solid-state batteries the big hurdle. However, as long as EVs have any wireless connection to the outside world (software updates) they are a danger to personal freedom. Any remote access (by .gov) means your vehicle could be shutdown/redirected for "reasons".
This kind of argument is a way of accepting their terms. That what car we drive matters to the health of our planet.
It is conceding the high ground to them.
The planet is fine. It will be fine whether we all drive electric cars or we all drive internal combustion engine cars.
Electric cars will eventually win in the marketplace when battery tech improves. Lithium isn't good enough. But once you can charge as fast as filling up a gas tank, ICE cars will be a niche market for enthusiasts only.
Show me an electric car that can run through 2 feet of water when it floods and not have any damage. There is a lot more than just batteries that need to be worked on for them to be a viable option going forward. At this point they're only good for drag racing and virtue signaling.
I wasn't aware the being able to drive through two feet of water was a useful test for a personal vehicle.
I also don't think ICE vehicles would do any better than electric ones.
You'll have to do better if you want to convince me that I'm wrong about electric cars.
Oil and gas produces literally almost everything. The amount in the gulf off of tx and LA would keep us running comfy for thousands of years with no consequence.
If you’re talking about uses for personal vehicles, how many people have trucks? To pull things, to drive through high waters, off road. Let’s take todays car for the family. A 9 hour road trip to favorite destination. Electric will run about 280 miles at 100% (I’ve heard that not true but we’ll use that number). So after about 31/2-4 hours, you have to find a “mega” charging station that will get you to 80% after about an hour. Another hour to 100%. So 3 1/2 hours is now 51/2 hours. Time to stop again. The 9 hour drive is now 13 and you still have to recharge.
Now do truckers… what effect on shipping, supply chain?
Do you know it’s an additional $8500 a year to have the super charger installed? Monthly fees for self driving and other add ons? Who can afford this? How do you keep people from traveling?
I guess you didn't read my initial comment:
As long as water doesn't end up in your computer or in your air intake you can drive a car in as deep of water as you want. You must be a city slicker if you don't think flooding is something that needs to be taken into account.
Tell me how well an electric boat would work that ships goods across the ocean. I'll give you a hint, it wouldn't work for shit. I've spent my entire life working on the ocean so I think I would know a little about the subject. Electric is a joke and it will never replace the combustion engine.
A ICE powered car that is not designed to operate in water will not operate in water.
An electric powered car that is not designed to operate in water will not operate water.
The market will choose electric cars the moment they become as cheap and convenient as gas-powered cars. They are quieter, smoother, and require a fraction of the maintenance.
Battery tech needs to improve, and our electric generation and grid needs to be improved, but these have been in constant improvement since electricity became a thing.
Agreed, cost effective solid-state batteries the big hurdle. However, as long as EVs have any wireless connection to the outside world (software updates) they are a danger to personal freedom. Any remote access (by .gov) means your vehicle could be shutdown/redirected for "reasons".
Hmm I'm guessing you haven't bought a new car in the last decade.
They are all connected to the internet now.
Have purchased 4 used vehicles in that timeframe but none newer than 2015 and all with basic telematics i.e. stripped.