The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law. AG's are weak, as are most legislators. Fraudulent elections, are not constitutionally legal, regardless of the legal framework or precedent, or temporary allowance of such. They are in no way legal, as they alienate others from their constitutional right to representation. Courts at the federal court level, at the state court level and at the county level are all responsible for hearing cases brought forth by interested parties at the jurisdiction level appropriate level of government in which the fraud was perpetrated (County, state, federal).
You speak only in platitudes and cliches. At no point do you address anything I said. It is nothing more than "this is wrong, thus, someone can lawfully fix it." Simply not true. That isn't how it works.
First, you have no constitutional right to vote for president/vice president. The state legislatures could appoint electors directly without your input, and historically this has happened. Second, each house is responsible for judging the elections of their own members. If they want to act lawless and allow a fraudulently elected rep to serve their term, they act lawless. No judge can usurp that determination for them.
As I said before, you cannot bring suit to remove any federal office holder from unlawfully holding office anywhere but the DC circuit. And House/Senate/Pres/VP are exempt from this. Want to remove a sitting president? Impeach him. Otherwise, he serves the 4 year term. Want to remove a senator/congressman? Convince 2/3rds of that body to expel them. Otherwise, they serve their 6/2 year terms. State officials would vary based on the particular state's constitution.
The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law.
They already weighed in on this over the centuries. The answer is no, they can't do this no matter how mad you are about it, and no matter how badly you want them to.
Just want to back you up in this. It’s a hard truth people need to hear nonetheless. Once the electoral college votes and congress certified, the only way to remove Biden became impeachment and conviction. Misleading statements by the FBI don’t change that from a legal standpoint
It seems your contention is that because a fraudulent congress certified fraudulent electors,that there is zero recourse? Fraud is fraud, and election fraud is treason.
All you are doing is saying that fraud is egregious, and because it is egregious and greatly damaging, a remedy exists. Which is simply not an argument, but a desire. I don't disagree with the egregiousness. But if you want to be faithful to the Constitution and rule of law, we have no judicial recourse here regardless of how shit this is. And not just that, but the very same people stealing elections are the ones in charge of putting justices on the supreme court. What's your remedy for their refusal to hear cases arising out of 2020? Why will they suddenly hear them again? How will anyone have standing now but didn't in Nov/Dec/Jan of 2020/21? Pretending that these officials were in the dark about the reality of the situation is deluding yourself. They knew. All of them. Including the highest court in the land.
Your recourse is to vote out people who certified fraudulent electors. And if your election system is compromised where you live, it is up to the people to fix that locally. There is no magic bullet that someone already in government has which fixes this. Ultimately, it will come down to the States. They birthed the federal government. It is their job to resist it. Until states do this, we are unlikely to see a change.
Again I do not disagree here. The legislature is responsible for elections. However the courts are responsible for the enforcement of our laws. Election laws should be no different. When an individual person commits voter fraud and gets arrested for it, they are tried in a court and are sentenced by a court. The same should apply when its done by big names, or by institutions.
To be fair, I do not disagree with much of what you have said. However, everything you have said implies that the election itself was on the up and up.. and it wasnt. Anytime fraud places someone into office (regardless of the office) the people represented by said office are disenfranchised, as they have not conferred their consent of the government.
I know the election was fraudulent. But our system of government was designed for a moral people. It was not a be all end all for all peoples. We are fortunate it has lasted this long. I don't believe the founders would have guessed that 230+ years later we still exist. There is no "because there was fraud, SCOTUS can fix it" in that document.
Just as there are reasons the electors clause was written into the Constitution, so too there is a reason that Congress, not SCOTUS certifies the electoral college. Co-equal branches is why SCOTUS cannot intervene here.
Want a textbook example of SCOTUS intervening where it should not have? Bush v. Gore in 2000. You know who had authority to reject what was going on there? The Florida legislature.
The courts have an obligation to deal with criminal cases when they are brought before them. SCOTUS in particular deals with crimes that affect peoples constitutional rights. Election fraud and subsequent theft are crimes. They are crimes that infringe on peoples constitutional rights. The government derives any authority it has from the consent of the people. When the consent is stolen, not given, they have derived power not from the people but through criminal acts. Co-equal branches is exactly why SCOTUS should intervene. They have not though. So what recourse do we have? One does not simply get to keep diamonds they stole, simply because they already sold them and were able to hide it for two years.
The legality of it matters, and the courts are the arbiters of the law. AG's are weak, as are most legislators. Fraudulent elections, are not constitutionally legal, regardless of the legal framework or precedent, or temporary allowance of such. They are in no way legal, as they alienate others from their constitutional right to representation. Courts at the federal court level, at the state court level and at the county level are all responsible for hearing cases brought forth by interested parties at the jurisdiction level appropriate level of government in which the fraud was perpetrated (County, state, federal).
You speak only in platitudes and cliches. At no point do you address anything I said. It is nothing more than "this is wrong, thus, someone can lawfully fix it." Simply not true. That isn't how it works.
First, you have no constitutional right to vote for president/vice president. The state legislatures could appoint electors directly without your input, and historically this has happened. Second, each house is responsible for judging the elections of their own members. If they want to act lawless and allow a fraudulently elected rep to serve their term, they act lawless. No judge can usurp that determination for them.
As I said before, you cannot bring suit to remove any federal office holder from unlawfully holding office anywhere but the DC circuit. And House/Senate/Pres/VP are exempt from this. Want to remove a sitting president? Impeach him. Otherwise, he serves the 4 year term. Want to remove a senator/congressman? Convince 2/3rds of that body to expel them. Otherwise, they serve their 6/2 year terms. State officials would vary based on the particular state's constitution.
They already weighed in on this over the centuries. The answer is no, they can't do this no matter how mad you are about it, and no matter how badly you want them to.
Just want to back you up in this. It’s a hard truth people need to hear nonetheless. Once the electoral college votes and congress certified, the only way to remove Biden became impeachment and conviction. Misleading statements by the FBI don’t change that from a legal standpoint
It seems your contention is that because a fraudulent congress certified fraudulent electors,that there is zero recourse? Fraud is fraud, and election fraud is treason.
All you are doing is saying that fraud is egregious, and because it is egregious and greatly damaging, a remedy exists. Which is simply not an argument, but a desire. I don't disagree with the egregiousness. But if you want to be faithful to the Constitution and rule of law, we have no judicial recourse here regardless of how shit this is. And not just that, but the very same people stealing elections are the ones in charge of putting justices on the supreme court. What's your remedy for their refusal to hear cases arising out of 2020? Why will they suddenly hear them again? How will anyone have standing now but didn't in Nov/Dec/Jan of 2020/21? Pretending that these officials were in the dark about the reality of the situation is deluding yourself. They knew. All of them. Including the highest court in the land.
Your recourse is to vote out people who certified fraudulent electors. And if your election system is compromised where you live, it is up to the people to fix that locally. There is no magic bullet that someone already in government has which fixes this. Ultimately, it will come down to the States. They birthed the federal government. It is their job to resist it. Until states do this, we are unlikely to see a change.
Again I do not disagree here. The legislature is responsible for elections. However the courts are responsible for the enforcement of our laws. Election laws should be no different. When an individual person commits voter fraud and gets arrested for it, they are tried in a court and are sentenced by a court. The same should apply when its done by big names, or by institutions.
To be fair, I do not disagree with much of what you have said. However, everything you have said implies that the election itself was on the up and up.. and it wasnt. Anytime fraud places someone into office (regardless of the office) the people represented by said office are disenfranchised, as they have not conferred their consent of the government.
I know the election was fraudulent. But our system of government was designed for a moral people. It was not a be all end all for all peoples. We are fortunate it has lasted this long. I don't believe the founders would have guessed that 230+ years later we still exist. There is no "because there was fraud, SCOTUS can fix it" in that document.
Just as there are reasons the electors clause was written into the Constitution, so too there is a reason that Congress, not SCOTUS certifies the electoral college. Co-equal branches is why SCOTUS cannot intervene here.
Want a textbook example of SCOTUS intervening where it should not have? Bush v. Gore in 2000. You know who had authority to reject what was going on there? The Florida legislature.
The courts have an obligation to deal with criminal cases when they are brought before them. SCOTUS in particular deals with crimes that affect peoples constitutional rights. Election fraud and subsequent theft are crimes. They are crimes that infringe on peoples constitutional rights. The government derives any authority it has from the consent of the people. When the consent is stolen, not given, they have derived power not from the people but through criminal acts. Co-equal branches is exactly why SCOTUS should intervene. They have not though. So what recourse do we have? One does not simply get to keep diamonds they stole, simply because they already sold them and were able to hide it for two years.