AMERICANS KNEW: Americans & even the soldiers largely knew that World War II was fake - created by the communists to push the communist agenda. They were OPPOSED to being dragged in and bolshevik sleeper communist dick of satan FDR taunted and pulled Japan into it in order to protect USSR đ„âđ„
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Interesting.
Definitely not pointing to China as being trustworthy. Leaving out the Nanking massacre still doesnât leave Japan as an untarnished innocent victim that was doing great and noble things. The stories of unit 731 came from testimonies that revealed our government was aiding in covering up those programs. Is it possible they were false testimonies? Itâs possible
Using the argument that it wasnât revealed until long after it had happened is not proof one way or the other and in fact when you find the cia in the center of handling those documents and trying to keep them obfuscated and hidden suggests there is something greater behind the testimonies. When did operation paper clip finally come into light? It would appear that it was the mid eighties, so where does that put your argument about unit 731?
âthat General Ishii and his staff were given immunity against prosecution as war criminals by the United States in exchange for the scientific information gathered during Unit 731's experiments. In a letter to Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, dated December 8, 1998, Eli M. Rosenbaum, Director of the Department of Justice's Office of Special Investigations, indicated that such a deal was struck. Mr. Rosenbaum wrote that âTwo of these [formerly classified] reports [about biological warfare data collected by the Japanese and the arrangement made between the United States and Lieutenant General Shiro Ishii, the commander of Unit 731], dated November 17, 1981, and May 5, 1982, confirm that Ishii and his colleagues received immunity from prosecution and that, in exchange, they provided a great deal of information to U.S. authorities.â91
âIn the 20-year controversy over whether Americans were experimented on, the chief problem has been the lack of documentary evidence to support anecdotal accounts. According to U.S. Army testimony in the 1986 hearing on treatment of U.S. POWs in Mukden, the United States captured the records of the Imperial Army when it occupied Japan. These very hard-to-translate records were brought to this country, remained here for some 13 years largely untranslated and unread, and were then returned to Japan.95 However, according to a 1999 New York Times article, in 1948 the Central Intelligence Agency screened the records before they were turned over to the National Archives. Later 5% of the records were hurriedly microfilmed by a group including scholars from Harvard and Georgetown University, between the time they were ordered returned to Japan in 1957 and when they were actually put on a boat in February 1958.96 Japan has denied access to these records to those trying to document the actions of Unit 731.â
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/us-prisoners-war-civilian-american-citizens-captured.html
History is a weapon, there is no doubt about that, I appreciate the article about Nanking.
I think Operation Paperclip has also been massively overblown and taken out of context. I believe the German scientists that the USA absorbed were not involved in the horrible genocide experiments that they are accused of being involved in. It's clear from studying history that it was actually the USSR which conducted these nightmarish procedures and framed it on the Germans during Nuremberg. German scientists like Von Braun are the reason we have rockets.
Those two paragraphs you quoted are filled with names of agencies and organizations which are known to doctor and edit history, including the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the CIA. Am I really supposed to believe Japan was doing these things based on their word alone? It sounds like their strongest evidence is some apocryphal "hard-to-translate" army records which were brought here, remained untouched for 13 years, and then hurriedly microfilmed and "translated" by Harvard and Georgetown University (another two notoriously communist schools which have a track-record of changing and erasing history). Your quotes really aren't inspiring confidence in this whole narrative for me.
I'm sure if I dug deeper I could find issues with this narrative, since the "smoking-gun" evidence seems very flimsy. But I simply don't have time right now. I'm not trying to defend Japan as flawless and perfectly innocent during the war. I have family who served in Okinawa. But I don't just buy what Simon Wiesenthal, CIA, and Harvard tells me about some experiments that allegedly happened there which only "came to light" after they got their hands on certain documents and claim that those documents provide support and evidence for such events occurring.
Itâs the fact that they destroyed the records and did what they could to hide and obfuscate. Just like mk ultra. We know very little of what actually took place.
The majority of the records on mk ultra were destroyed and the truth wasnât âbrought into the light until âafter certain documents provided support and evidence for such events that occurredâ
Your statement is a pretty lousy principle to determine truth.
But you believe what you want, you can disregard all the eugenics programs and interchangeable research that was connected between Germany and the u.s at the time. My opinion âthey were all doing it!â The u.s, Germany Japan Russia, all of them had eugenics programs and were experimenting on their people for various different reasons including research and development for biological and chemical warfare.
So you're basing your conclusion on "destroyed" documents? Interesting. This is the same garbage that they push on Germany. It's easy to spin whatever narrative you want to when you can claim all the original documents were "destroyed." The fact that these alleged Japanese documents passed through so many governments' hands, as they certainly did after WWII, is very suspicious. It's just too easy to create a brainwashing narrative from that kind of stuff. Playing fast and loose with real history is too common in our movement nowadays.
MK Ultra is not the same as this incident we're talking about. There were people speaking out against MK Ultra when it happened. You're claiming all the evidence for "Unit 731" came from post-1984. Plus, MK Ultra is still largely denounced as a conspiracy theory, and those who speak truthfully about it are silenced. Whereas it appears that "Unit 731" has gained widespread mainstream acceptance and popularity.
And I think relying on the CIA and communist think-tanks is a hell of a lot lousier. Which is all you've showed me in this thread. I'd love to dig into the history more thoroughly if I had time for research (which I normally do), but I don't have time right now. So all I can say for now is that you should come up with some more convincing resources than sites that reference the CIA and commie thinktanks.
"Your opinion." Gotcha. I can't change your opinion buddy. Believe whatever you want to. Just don't state it as fact.
The testimony of soldiers is what I read about maybe 20 years ago, along with other details of this. The link is just something I quickly found to provide the context, and mentioned those soldiers and their testimony. Are they liars? Possibly. You apparently think they are, which is a pretty heavy accusation with out much research or knowledge into it. That would be a good place to start if youâre interested.
The destroyed documents and obfuscation is just par for the course. So you think that the cia would come out of the wood work and want to frame Japan as bad guys, in the 1980âs, for ww2 when they were already framed as bad guys? that doesnât make any sense. To bury the truth by using people to write misleading articles with halve truths mixed with lies to obfuscate and hide the real truth. Yes, 100 percent that is how they operate.
it would seem, that they let war criminals, who committed acts of torture and crimes against humanity, off the hook just so they could have their research. They might have a vested interest in obfuscating that part of the story.
Did the bataan death march actually happen?
If so, what does that tell you about the Japanese and their view of imposing brutal punishment and death to their prisoners.
Does it prove unit 731, no. But it does show a contradiction to the noble character your trying to portray and as victims being framed.
Fast and loose with history? No, actually I enjoy studying history and have a very realistic view of the harsh brutality and violence that âgovernmentsâ have inflicted upon their populations. You obviously believe the Disney version of history where there are noble rulers and governments who havenât been conspiring and abusing their people but are romantically rescuing the oppressed. It may occur here and there, but it is by far the exception.
Your pretty naive if youâve fallen for the axis powers being good guys who were just framed. And based on what? Evidence thatâs just now coming to light? Interesting.
I would say quite the contrary about mkultra and unit 731. Most people donât even know much about ww2 let alone a secret program that the Japanese were conducting. Everyone I know knows about mkultra, not unit 731.
Testimony is the lynch pin. If you can convince me that those soldiers took the stand and gave false testimony then ok. if not, then Iâll give them the benefit of the doubt because of all the other circumstantial evidence that points in the same direction. Iâm not that skilled to be able to verify the backgrounds or situations behind those soldier's who testified.