When I was in high school, I sat in the back corner of one of my classes with a couple of Christian girls. They regaled me with End Times stories which I now believe were cobbled up from John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren, further promoted via the Scofield Bible, which gave rise to Dispensationalism and Christian Zionism.
I wasn't a Christian myself, just an ignorant, clueless churchgoer, but I listened avidly to their tales. They said that one day soon, there was going to be a one world government, a one world religion and a one world currency. I had no idea about any of this, but lo and behold, we are actually now at the precipice of such a possibility. Not that I believe this will happen. It is being threatened after a fashion by WEF.
They said that one day, Jesus would come and rapture all of the Christians out of the world before the horrors were unleashed, and they considered they would be receiving this wonderful ride.
However, all of the non-Christians "left behind" were going to be in very serious trouble. The Anti-Christ would arise and rule the world and would begin persecuting any new Christians that would convert after the rapture. These people would have a kind of "second chance" with Jesus, but it would really cost them, because the Anti-Christ would chop off their heads if they didn't take the "mark of the beast," without which no man could "buy or sell."
I was so freaked out by these talks, that I got out a Bible and read all of Revelation, without any understanding of the text, of course. Since I didn't know how to "believe in Jesus," I thought I was going to end up being one of those people who got their heads chopped off, because taking the mark would result in a ride to hell, which, of course, I didn't want.
This was about 15 years prior to my conversion. And I finally learned that much of Revelation is written in a very symbolic way.
After conversion, someone gave me a copy of the Scofield Bible. It is very influential in the American churches. I noticed that there are copious margin notes, and the notes overwhelmingly promote the earthly nation of Israel. So this led many American churches to put earthly Israel above Christ's Kingdom.
If you notice the kinds of things that WEF and others of that ilk are saying, doing, and threatening to do, they seem to be promoting some kind of End Times madness. It is interesting that in the early days of the Christian church, people were saying that the disciples were "turning the world upside down." It is equally interesting that today, the world has once more become something that has "turned upside down," but not in the Gospel sense, rather in a crazy, never-seen-before kind of way. Good has become bad, ugly has become beautiful, upside down is now considered to be right side up.
If the WEF orcs get their way, there will be all kinds of suffering and death, and they have been holding this over our heads since early 2020. Not that they didn't talk about it before. It's just that not many were listening. Well, a lot of us are listening now, because the orcs got louder.
Since 2020, I have had some days with crying and even screaming at the walls. "Isn't anyone going to put a stop to this?" The world has truly gone mad. I thought maybe Hazmat suits were going to come to my door, throw me down, and forcibly inject me with poison. Hasn't happened so far. I thought the BLM riots might come to my neighborhood, robbing, raping, killing and setting fire. Hasn't happened yet. Last fall, Biden promised a dark winter. Didn't happen. They are threatening us now with no money, no food, no heat for our homes, no fuel for our cars, and even a potential nuclear exchange. Is any of that going to happen? Or is it mostly just fear mongering for the purpose of controlling the masses?
Orcs such as Klaus Schwab talk as if they are on the verge of victory. I think they are wrong. They haven't read the back of the book. I don't think we will have to line up at guillotines, emaciated, freezing, and beaten nearly to death. These things have indeed happened to some people throughout history. But I believe in the happy ending that God has promised. Satan's army is busy threatening ALL of us. That has never happened before, to my knowledge. Satan can't win, however. God wins. It is that simple.
No, I'm clearly saying I reject it and hold to the prevailing eschatological position of Christians prior to the publication of that Bible. The same position that most of our founders had. The same position that Christians that started projects that they wouldn't see completed in their lifetimes and their great grandchildren would need to finish.
That's a genetic logical fallacy. There are multiple sources there and multiple very well respected Preachers, theologians, Biblical historians, teachers, writers and others that are using both scripture and historical events to support their positions to chose from. Need I remind you that YOU just linked to a video in your prior comment? Don't be an inconsistent hypocrite.
I used to hold to pre-millennial dispensationalism just like you. Try to be open minded enough to consider that there's more to learn and not be prideful in your own knowledge. If Dr James White who is top 5 in Biblical Textual transmission and translation and a well respected Biblical scholar (who is one of the people in the videos) that knows Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic can change his position this late in life maybe you can at least consider examining the arguments and evidence.
Good day.
I'm going to leave it because you are clearly frustrated, but I'm leaving a parting thought I pray you take to heart.
If you are going to mention the days of Noah, you must also recognize that it was God Himself who sealed Noah and family in the Ark to keep them from the storm that was blowing outside. Also on you adherence to other people interpretation etc.... Jesus teaches us, Matt 13, how to understand the Word. Get your heart right with Him, read it out of Love for Him, you don't need those interpretations, the Spirit will give it to you. In the story of Lazarus and the rich man we know that we have the Word of the Prophets that was inspired by the Spirit. If you are unsure, use your Concordance and trust God before trusting man. Either way if you are saved and i trust you are, we'll meet up in the air whether you believe it will happen or not.
Peace
Sure we both follow God. You follow Him your way and I'll follow Him His way. ;-)
And no not frustrated, but calling out a clear genetic logical fallacy when you rejected looking at discussions and debates covering a variety of arguments you may not have considered.
U should take this info over to c/christianity and let it be evaluated over there.
It's relevant to this post and discussion. It will reach eyes here that would never see it in that Sub.
I don't talk about God and His kingdom only at church, I do it everywhere from the grocery store to the DMV and apply it to every part of my life.
Also I don't need God's word evaluated by man. God is the judge and His word is the standard.
If OP shares this post over there and tags me I will happily add my comment to add to the convo however.
So far I believe u have only used Gods word once. The rest has been mans evaluation of Gods word. It's all good u told me everything I needed to know in your response. Have a good night
Did you ask for scripture even once that supports my position? Did you look at the playlist where scripture and historic events were covered extensively?
Tells me all I need to know about how much you wanted to really examine my position before dismissing me.
Why cant u do both?
I didn't say I can't did I?
Why are you saying I should?
My tiny church in AZ, using this eschatological position, started EndAbortionNow.com and set out to end abortion in the US and throughout the world 10 years ago.
With a FRACTION of the budget and funding of the pro-life establishment we have equipped churches all over the world to fight abortion in a Biblical way and saved thousands of children from being murdered. We produced 2 documentaries about abortion and the failings of the unbiblical approach of the pro-life establishment
We started pushing abolition and equal protection legislation nationwide and getting others to join us in doing so and contacting lawmakers.
We wrote part of the Amicus Brief that just overturned Roe v Wade. Now we have multiple states introducing abolition legislation that will end abortion locally.
I don't need the evaluation of anons online. God's blessing on our work is quite clear.