So Hillary and Comey and Brennan are too big to fail?
WTF country is this?
If the goal of all this is to give wrist slaps to a couple of middle management crooks, then nothing is accomplished and nothing will change.
They will continue to sell out the country at will, and continue to groom their next crop of "too big to fail" replacements to continue rob and pillage our system of government into oblivion.
SNOWDEN. NSA Proved spying/data collection from cell & Internet of all U.S. consumers. Massive distrust. Slippery slope falling down. Precedent = Not O.K. public outcry.
Use Rule 2! Kinder Gentler Patriot Act revised & passed. Use cozy name 'Preserving America's Freedoms'
I forgot Occupy Movement (where Obama called in the black SUV people to gunbutt non-violent protestors in the head right in the middle of nice NYC parks and other Change We Can Believe Inβ’οΈ) and other stuff and I don't know about the formatting. I just got WAY carried away perhaps but I wanted to show examples and theres just so much richness when you go through and use those 2 rules.
But now... to get to what Kash said. First off it's nothing new he's BEEN saying this type of stuff. The WHY part is more important.
I really believe that they just aren't quite sure how its going to go down yet. He is telling us this because it is still a possibility on the table that they will be punished away from the public eye, such as others like No Name already have been. I think back to Trump '16. He definitely had designs of putting Hillary in jail. The handlers and others got to him then and encouraged him to show grace. Back then I understood that notion.
Turn the other cheek a bit. Show love even to your enemies and pity them especially because of their wicked ways. He would've seemed to be a dictator and demagogue and ALL the names they'd called him and said he would become as President if he tried to do all that stuff and especially all out in public.
Since then a few things have happened. Some of the punishments have happened already behind the curtain. Quick trials, prison or death etc. has been handed down. Also, some have agreed to continue in public life and act normally or as they were. They agreed to INFORM and SPY or act as CONTROLLED OPS or spread DISINFO... whatever it was. They are working for the Patriots now (most cases probably involved saving themselves from a death penalty, which we should try to give to as many of them as possible, obvious exceptions with murderers and pedophiles)
Next we need to get to those not yet captured and their actions. The sheer amount of malice and cruelty they have shown to Trump and the seeming endless attempts to come after him have certainly worn away any political grace or shared humanity that might've been shown to them previously. They have spit in Trump's eye for being kind to them and I am almost certain very bad things are coming to them be it publically or privately. A lot of it MUST be private unfortunately just to maintain public order. Most normies are very dim and if some of their crimes and sentences were revealed in public it could have some drastic and deleterious effects on society itself. That isnt a get out of jail free card though - and I have faith that if they MUST keep some of the big fish (like HRC) behind closed doors they WILL communicate the facts of what happened at least to our group! We will hear about it somehow is what I mean. Kash is not saying nothing will happen at all to them, just that it might not be out in the open.
Last point, the precedents are maybe not set yet. Maybe it's a Part of the whole thing that has to happen for them to get so desperate that they just arrest Trump for nothing. As I detailed a LOT of people have not paid for A LOT of crimes and Trump knows we want them to and that they truly deserve to. But to preserve the peaceful transfer of power which is likely the most important single precedent in our government system, maybe we have to wait until they go way outside the lines before we clap back on them properly! The idea of not prosecuting the previous admin was abused since Bush W came and went and had obviously gone too far. There is letting someone mostly good go because we don't do that on our politics, and then there's people who actively hurt and caused countrymen to die and betrayed our country. That has to move out of peaceful transfer territory and into justice no matter what for the worst offenders, somehow... I mean no one is as above the law right?! Bahahaha!
So Kash I think really is just saying don't get your Hope's up too high guys. This is long and complicated because they have been snakes for a long long time and it won't wrap up just how and when we think or want it to. We need to accept that and have faith that Trump TRULY IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THOSE BEFORE HIM and that he means to clean this up 100% once and for all, and none of them will escape THAT Punishment! If Durham doesn't end up getting them something else is going to come for them, God will not let us down.
Hope that was a good analysis it was not meant just for you specifically, sorry if I freaked you out by replying directly twice. Many people in the comments had similar thoughts to yours and I wanted to kind of address them all, even though it was coming just to you.
They will continue to sell out the country at will, and continue to groom their next crop of "too big to fail" replacements to continue rob and pillage our system of government into oblivion. <
That statement is 100% pitch perfect, and without question absolutely true. Precedent matters: We all learned that lesson together and viscerally as a country, when the U.S.A. suffered one of if not the greatest single acts of terrorism that ever occurred in human history.
That event was used by a ruthless and corrupt cabal within our government to justify a hostile incursion rising to the level of an all out war into a country whose leader and people were not responsible, neither directly nor indirectly. On a wafer thin lie predicated on the potential of future danger and conspiracy of coalition with the actual responsible parties, it was just barely jammed through and "sold" to our country & the international leadership community. In reality, it was a vicious falsehood and well known to be one by the vicious people who were its salespeople.
(wish for a line break I could put here)
Furthermore, there wasn't enough support to go forward with it, if we're being truthful - but those salespeople didn't care about following the rules and guidelines anymore, because they told us earlier when the terrorism was a fresh wound that the old rules needed to be thrown out to prevent this from ever happening again and in our emotional state, we agreed with them.
Who would write those new guidelines?
Why of course, it should be us, the vicious salesmen because it happened on our watch and thus no one would know better than we how to keep it from happening again in the future. The old rule makers failed you see - that was the WHY part of the terrorism - and so we need to create BRAND NEW RULES, UNLIKE THE ONES FROM BEFORE and we won't even use ONE WORD of those old rules from those old writers of the rules, because they didn't work, you see.
What about all the time they existed and we didn't have such terrorism occur, isn't that evidence of the old rules mostly working? Could it be that they worked for the other administrators and leaders before because they followed them properly, and they didn't work for the current administrators and leaders because they didn't implement those rules properly, and that is why this terror was not foreseen and continued along until it occured, without resistance? Were the old leaders also tested by terror and didn't they forsee those events and thwart them before they happened and stymie or provide life-saving containment and resistance against them, using the same old guidelines and rules? Did that happen, those defusings of terror plots, one after another, through the history of our country and those administrations, all different, composed of different people and having different ambitions and goals, but still universally able to prevent similar events from taking place in the past, time after time, using the old rules? Do we throw rules out when they have passed muster and are time tested in such a way as those old ones were? When they always worked before but didn't this once, and we can't yet be sure if the rules or those enforcing them were the true culprit who allowed the error?<
Well.... we certainly can see that this is very important and the discernment offered up is undoubtedly sensible! But well, the circumstances are drastic and unique, constituting a new normal, if you will, and we know from the circumstances that the old rules will not pass any future stress tests because the world has changed, and all future events will test the rules like this terror act did. We must act swiftly lest we be inundated with copycat violence by many other groups similar to the culprits of this, who also wish us harm and will utilize the same exploits to do so. We believe in short order this will happen because the old rules obviously left this huge, yet-undiscovered loophole, and so we are naked and vulnerable unless we quickly replace with our new rules to patch the hole.
Well how can you be sure the rules failed and not the implementers as we just said? Is that not still unknown?<
Wow, you really are persistent. Well okay I will concede, we absolutely SHOULD investigate the root causes and the chain of events that led up, from all sides too, how the perpetrators set up and carried out their dread mission and what we may have overseen and we must find the crack in the wall where they snuck through, the loophole in our current regime that we need to fix! It's called our 9/11 Report. Unfortunately we werent able to complete such a VAST AND FAR REACHING sort of investigation until much farther down the road into the conflict itself, long after the new playbook was dreamt up, written, implemented for the safety of allβ’οΈ and approved.
Look - we want to work with you here - and it's all agreed upon that WE CANNOT JUST PLOW AHEAD WITH NO CONCERN FOR RULES OR HUMAN LIFE OR OUR COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE - we wouldn't just LIE TO DO WHATEVER WE WANTED, WHAT SUITS OUR LIFE THE BEST WITHOUT REGARD FOR OTHERS, MOST ESPECIALLY THE VOTERS WHO TRUST US WITH SO MUCH POWER AND WHOM WE REPRESENT, AND OUR NATION'S PRECEDENTS AND THOUGHTFUL, HONEST METHODS OF PROCESSION IN ALL WE DO.
We are really and truly committed I hope you see, and so because we couldn't get our Report done sooner, we studied the consequences of our war in Iraq as well and LET ME TELL YOU some bad things, unacceptable things went on. We didn't follow our international guidelines but more important we didn't hold up to our highest standards for ourselves. Some bad actors in our tent did some bad things and we want you to see, we aren't afraid to say it - and we assure you that CONSEQUENCES ARE COMING for those people!
**This is how you know you can trust us! We are going to MAKE SURE WE HOLD OURSELVES TO THE SAME STANDARDS! Back in the days of those old rules you like so much, those ideals aren't ever going to change, and you know we mean it because we have NOT HIDDEN ANYTHING in the scope of creating this Commission Report. - No one is going to get away on this it's absolutely certain.
...well, ok then. You sound very forceful here so...
*Yes just as soon as WE REWRITE THOSE RULES SO IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN we're gonna move on to punishing those responsible for not carrying out....*πππ
I ripped the above lines from a Substack thingy I am finishing and I meant it to have a more conversational or stage play sort of bent. I thought it might be on target, in that it also wants to express the lack of accountability or culpability but perhaps more from the other side, the way that they react and deflect from the heart of the issues: they treat expectations of virtues as nuisances, that was the major feature.
So excuse that for being very stream of consciousness... I'm like political essay James Joyce or something ...LOL or much more likely I'm just a looney tune too turned up on Saturday... but since it IS too complicated & indirect I will say it all another way.. "they" have 2 rules
"Punish" the rules, not the behavior.
"Change" the definition, not the policy.
So back to our story. Fresh wound of 9/11? NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE. (it applies to BOTH parties) Prey on confusion and shadows. The new seedlings of safetyism, fear of the other, xenophobia and most of all resolve molded into reactionary rash actions. Speed is key; don't let the moment go to waste. Continuity of Government Revise and Execute, now we create the bypasses to move forward. Patriot Act, FISA court established - judicial precedents and citizen rights suspended/bypass. Media fear campaign initiated in timeframe of record high POTUS popularity & voter unity on the issues - rationalize Iraq conflict, vilify Hussein, coin new undefined term 'WMD' and press potential existence in target region to invade (no nuclear capability of enemy, other MacGuffin required) - establish new Exec. Branch wing [DHS] - mission = eliminate old rules and guidelines, create new regulations and protocols focused on Israeli profiling techniques & fear porn graphics - maximize discomfort & changes to daily life of avg. American
heightened climate of fear achieved - push authorization for planned conflict.
Okay we are here now! Where we start to completely derail as a nation. THIS WAS THE TIME to investigate 9/11 and return with recommendations based on the fact finding. In a just world, you do this here: to determine the ultimate necessity/just causes for going to War (convince the needed votes) and figure out if the upscaled regulations and Pat Act should be placeholders and phased out, i.e. temporary moves to de-escalate panic, OR blended in with prior methods and legal procedure, OR 1st wave of complete overhaul needed to maintain former security/normalcy in the country. Remember without safety, there is no economic system - this is the baseline level for a country - we must be safe enough to engage in all normal economic activities.
Result? Option 3. Throw it all out and reconfigure the whole damn thing, ASAP. New presidential powers and less Congressional oversight BIG KEY. Bypass created and available for all individual Constitutional Rights in certain cases granted by new court [can be controlled or silenced; court autonomy has no special protections] ruled OK by Supreme Court. [DHS] newest exec branch - Immigration Svcs. & Physical Borders, Air Travel - created to connect w/ analogous Ministers/Boards in Euro-socialist countries - regulate new features of security, ID verify & enforce policies for immigrant/refugee individuals
[BLACK UNDERSIDE] - Coordinate w Intel Ops managing human traffick programs, dark $ deep state revenue building, business w/ cartel governments of Mexico/S.A.- help DOJ as '2nd level' plausible deniability for various BLACK programs (NO Iran Contra) - ... you get the idea.
Remember Rule 2. Redefine WMD.
One bad thing happened and we threw out the whole system. Worry about if we needed to do that much later, much too late.
Next: WMD sale to public. Operation FuckJob. Barely successful. Congress pushed to authorize Iraq. (Who is Paul Wellstone?) NATO and UN bypass; only most immoral allies help. We got our way! (All that matters) Defense/Weapons Industry payday. Business investment to rebuild? Patriot CEOS. Politician payday incoming.
Now much later the reports. Very watery. STILL crimes suspected. Highest levels targeted. False rationale for conflict, influence peddling, corruption, war crimes.
Panic 07. Meltdown 08. Financial crisis begins the endgame plans [destroy America & rebuild sans legal & gov't systems currently in place]
Bailouts for Wall St. criminals, QE to save bankrupt banks. Japan 2. Zombie companies. Fed Reserve debt buying (goes to taxpayer amounts owed)
No criminal prosecutions for bad actors. People want Main St. bailout & justice to white collars [Madoff and up]
Obama Admin incoming. Suggests that there will be punishment for war & financial bad actors, running amok 2000-2008.
2008-2016. Obama Admin glow op success. America accepts defeat. Promises broken. Wall St and war criminals fade into shadows. Golden parachutes & solvency requirements paid $. No bailout for citizens. 10 million pop lose houses. Rule 1. Dodd - Frank achieved, rules punished/rewritten. Rising anger/disillusioned.
2015 - Middle class becomes a minority of Americans.
BRADLEY MANNING. GUCCIFER.
Iraq War crimes? We changed our policies remember. What can you do now? Well...
Rule 2. Guantanamo "repurposed" intel agencies torture done by mid-level-mgrs punished due to public outcry. No "majors" punished.
Trump - Russiagate begins. No punishment for major authors of FISA spying on U.S. Presdent using terrorist laws/standards created by Patriot Act. Slippery slope achieved. Precedent to spy on own citizens = Full O.K.
Thanks for your response(s). And i will need to re read and collect some thoughts to provide a proper reply. I have been at this a long time. I have a variety of hopes and fears about the situation, and a great deal of insight for a long list of reasons collected about the deep state behavior from the last few decades. There are a wide variety of possibilities, and an even wider variety of possible outcomes. I even considered a post of the long lists, but the fears would probably cause a nuclear meltdown here, and the hopes might not be as rosy as people would like. Bottom line is i think we are in for a long rough ride at best. And I would list the main reason being that I don't expect several thousand of the richest and most powerful individuals on planet Earth to admit their monstrous shortcomings and march off slowly into the darkness. All of their chips are on the table, and they know that they either win this poker hand, or wind up hanging from lamp posts on some city square. I expect nuclear war to be probably their last distraction card to play. And I don't think they will hesitate to play it.
So Hillary and Comey and Brennan are too big to fail?
WTF country is this?
If the goal of all this is to give wrist slaps to a couple of middle management crooks, then nothing is accomplished and nothing will change.
They will continue to sell out the country at will, and continue to groom their next crop of "too big to fail" replacements to continue rob and pillage our system of government into oblivion.
SNOWDEN. NSA Proved spying/data collection from cell & Internet of all U.S. consumers. Massive distrust. Slippery slope falling down. Precedent = Not O.K. public outcry. Use Rule 2! Kinder Gentler Patriot Act revised & passed. Use cozy name 'Preserving America's Freedoms'
I forgot Occupy Movement (where Obama called in the black SUV people to gunbutt non-violent protestors in the head right in the middle of nice NYC parks and other Change We Can Believe Inβ’οΈ) and other stuff and I don't know about the formatting. I just got WAY carried away perhaps but I wanted to show examples and theres just so much richness when you go through and use those 2 rules.
But now... to get to what Kash said. First off it's nothing new he's BEEN saying this type of stuff. The WHY part is more important.
I really believe that they just aren't quite sure how its going to go down yet. He is telling us this because it is still a possibility on the table that they will be punished away from the public eye, such as others like No Name already have been. I think back to Trump '16. He definitely had designs of putting Hillary in jail. The handlers and others got to him then and encouraged him to show grace. Back then I understood that notion.
Turn the other cheek a bit. Show love even to your enemies and pity them especially because of their wicked ways. He would've seemed to be a dictator and demagogue and ALL the names they'd called him and said he would become as President if he tried to do all that stuff and especially all out in public.
Since then a few things have happened. Some of the punishments have happened already behind the curtain. Quick trials, prison or death etc. has been handed down. Also, some have agreed to continue in public life and act normally or as they were. They agreed to INFORM and SPY or act as CONTROLLED OPS or spread DISINFO... whatever it was. They are working for the Patriots now (most cases probably involved saving themselves from a death penalty, which we should try to give to as many of them as possible, obvious exceptions with murderers and pedophiles)
Next we need to get to those not yet captured and their actions. The sheer amount of malice and cruelty they have shown to Trump and the seeming endless attempts to come after him have certainly worn away any political grace or shared humanity that might've been shown to them previously. They have spit in Trump's eye for being kind to them and I am almost certain very bad things are coming to them be it publically or privately. A lot of it MUST be private unfortunately just to maintain public order. Most normies are very dim and if some of their crimes and sentences were revealed in public it could have some drastic and deleterious effects on society itself. That isnt a get out of jail free card though - and I have faith that if they MUST keep some of the big fish (like HRC) behind closed doors they WILL communicate the facts of what happened at least to our group! We will hear about it somehow is what I mean. Kash is not saying nothing will happen at all to them, just that it might not be out in the open.
Last point, the precedents are maybe not set yet. Maybe it's a Part of the whole thing that has to happen for them to get so desperate that they just arrest Trump for nothing. As I detailed a LOT of people have not paid for A LOT of crimes and Trump knows we want them to and that they truly deserve to. But to preserve the peaceful transfer of power which is likely the most important single precedent in our government system, maybe we have to wait until they go way outside the lines before we clap back on them properly! The idea of not prosecuting the previous admin was abused since Bush W came and went and had obviously gone too far. There is letting someone mostly good go because we don't do that on our politics, and then there's people who actively hurt and caused countrymen to die and betrayed our country. That has to move out of peaceful transfer territory and into justice no matter what for the worst offenders, somehow... I mean no one is as above the law right?! Bahahaha!
So Kash I think really is just saying don't get your Hope's up too high guys. This is long and complicated because they have been snakes for a long long time and it won't wrap up just how and when we think or want it to. We need to accept that and have faith that Trump TRULY IS DIFFERENT THAN ALL THOSE BEFORE HIM and that he means to clean this up 100% once and for all, and none of them will escape THAT Punishment! If Durham doesn't end up getting them something else is going to come for them, God will not let us down.
Hope that was a good analysis it was not meant just for you specifically, sorry if I freaked you out by replying directly twice. Many people in the comments had similar thoughts to yours and I wanted to kind of address them all, even though it was coming just to you.
Thanks fren! Godspeed! WWG1WGA
That statement is 100% pitch perfect, and without question absolutely true. Precedent matters: We all learned that lesson together and viscerally as a country, when the U.S.A. suffered one of if not the greatest single acts of terrorism that ever occurred in human history.
That event was used by a ruthless and corrupt cabal within our government to justify a hostile incursion rising to the level of an all out war into a country whose leader and people were not responsible, neither directly nor indirectly. On a wafer thin lie predicated on the potential of future danger and conspiracy of coalition with the actual responsible parties, it was just barely jammed through and "sold" to our country & the international leadership community. In reality, it was a vicious falsehood and well known to be one by the vicious people who were its salespeople.
(wish for a line break I could put here)
Furthermore, there wasn't enough support to go forward with it, if we're being truthful - but those salespeople didn't care about following the rules and guidelines anymore, because they told us earlier when the terrorism was a fresh wound that the old rules needed to be thrown out to prevent this from ever happening again and in our emotional state, we agreed with them.
I ripped the above lines from a Substack thingy I am finishing and I meant it to have a more conversational or stage play sort of bent. I thought it might be on target, in that it also wants to express the lack of accountability or culpability but perhaps more from the other side, the way that they react and deflect from the heart of the issues: they treat expectations of virtues as nuisances, that was the major feature.
So excuse that for being very stream of consciousness... I'm like political essay James Joyce or something ...LOL or much more likely I'm just a looney tune too turned up on Saturday... but since it IS too complicated & indirect I will say it all another way.. "they" have 2 rules
So back to our story. Fresh wound of 9/11? NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE. (it applies to BOTH parties) Prey on confusion and shadows. The new seedlings of safetyism, fear of the other, xenophobia and most of all resolve molded into reactionary rash actions. Speed is key; don't let the moment go to waste. Continuity of Government Revise and Execute, now we create the bypasses to move forward. Patriot Act, FISA court established - judicial precedents and citizen rights suspended/bypass. Media fear campaign initiated in timeframe of record high POTUS popularity & voter unity on the issues - rationalize Iraq conflict, vilify Hussein, coin new undefined term 'WMD' and press potential existence in target region to invade (no nuclear capability of enemy, other MacGuffin required) - establish new Exec. Branch wing [DHS] - mission = eliminate old rules and guidelines, create new regulations and protocols focused on Israeli profiling techniques & fear porn graphics - maximize discomfort & changes to daily life of avg. American heightened climate of fear achieved - push authorization for planned conflict.
Okay we are here now! Where we start to completely derail as a nation. THIS WAS THE TIME to investigate 9/11 and return with recommendations based on the fact finding. In a just world, you do this here: to determine the ultimate necessity/just causes for going to War (convince the needed votes) and figure out if the upscaled regulations and Pat Act should be placeholders and phased out, i.e. temporary moves to de-escalate panic, OR blended in with prior methods and legal procedure, OR 1st wave of complete overhaul needed to maintain former security/normalcy in the country. Remember without safety, there is no economic system - this is the baseline level for a country - we must be safe enough to engage in all normal economic activities.
Result? Option 3. Throw it all out and reconfigure the whole damn thing, ASAP. New presidential powers and less Congressional oversight BIG KEY. Bypass created and available for all individual Constitutional Rights in certain cases granted by new court [can be controlled or silenced; court autonomy has no special protections] ruled OK by Supreme Court. [DHS] newest exec branch - Immigration Svcs. & Physical Borders, Air Travel - created to connect w/ analogous Ministers/Boards in Euro-socialist countries - regulate new features of security, ID verify & enforce policies for immigrant/refugee individuals [BLACK UNDERSIDE] - Coordinate w Intel Ops managing human traffick programs, dark $ deep state revenue building, business w/ cartel governments of Mexico/S.A.- help DOJ as '2nd level' plausible deniability for various BLACK programs (NO Iran Contra) - ... you get the idea. Remember Rule 2. Redefine WMD. One bad thing happened and we threw out the whole system. Worry about if we needed to do that much later, much too late. Next: WMD sale to public. Operation FuckJob. Barely successful. Congress pushed to authorize Iraq. (Who is Paul Wellstone?) NATO and UN bypass; only most immoral allies help. We got our way! (All that matters) Defense/Weapons Industry payday. Business investment to rebuild? Patriot CEOS. Politician payday incoming. Now much later the reports. Very watery. STILL crimes suspected. Highest levels targeted. False rationale for conflict, influence peddling, corruption, war crimes.
Panic 07. Meltdown 08. Financial crisis begins the endgame plans [destroy America & rebuild sans legal & gov't systems currently in place] Bailouts for Wall St. criminals, QE to save bankrupt banks. Japan 2. Zombie companies. Fed Reserve debt buying (goes to taxpayer amounts owed) No criminal prosecutions for bad actors. People want Main St. bailout & justice to white collars [Madoff and up]
Obama Admin incoming. Suggests that there will be punishment for war & financial bad actors, running amok 2000-2008.
2008-2016. Obama Admin glow op success. America accepts defeat. Promises broken. Wall St and war criminals fade into shadows. Golden parachutes & solvency requirements paid $. No bailout for citizens. 10 million pop lose houses. Rule 1. Dodd - Frank achieved, rules punished/rewritten. Rising anger/disillusioned.
2015 - Middle class becomes a minority of Americans.
BRADLEY MANNING. GUCCIFER. Iraq War crimes? We changed our policies remember. What can you do now? Well... Rule 2. Guantanamo "repurposed" intel agencies torture done by mid-level-mgrs punished due to public outcry. No "majors" punished.
To be continued....
Thanks for your response(s). And i will need to re read and collect some thoughts to provide a proper reply. I have been at this a long time. I have a variety of hopes and fears about the situation, and a great deal of insight for a long list of reasons collected about the deep state behavior from the last few decades. There are a wide variety of possibilities, and an even wider variety of possible outcomes. I even considered a post of the long lists, but the fears would probably cause a nuclear meltdown here, and the hopes might not be as rosy as people would like. Bottom line is i think we are in for a long rough ride at best. And I would list the main reason being that I don't expect several thousand of the richest and most powerful individuals on planet Earth to admit their monstrous shortcomings and march off slowly into the darkness. All of their chips are on the table, and they know that they either win this poker hand, or wind up hanging from lamp posts on some city square. I expect nuclear war to be probably their last distraction card to play. And I don't think they will hesitate to play it.