I didn't say that. Leave it to the atheist to put words in people's mouths. The Godless are so extremely toxic. It's sad to see. I've rarely met a down-to-earth atheist who didn't pride themselves on having "figured it all out" and thus acted better and smarter than everybody else.
Read the Bible. That's what I mean. My point is that he doesn't follow the Biblical example and claiming God made him the way he is, is ignorant. He listened to the world, not to God. As such, he behaves as the world has taught him.
The convenient thing about my argument is that it's true whether or not the Bible is true (it is). The Bible could be 100% made-up (it isn't) and it's still 100% true that the guy you're complaining about didn't base his behavior on it and has instead based his behavior on the example given to him by the world.
This is a losing argument for you, and not realizing this fact would simply confirm my suspicion that many if not most of the people who claim to be logical and intelligent but who don't believe in God aren't aware of anything I'm not, nor are they any more capable of coming to rational conclusions than I.
He listened to man, not God. Your post is ignorant
This is what I had to go off off. Forgive my ignorance if I misunderstood what you were getting at.
As a side, why the does everyone think this is a competition? I don't care at all if I lose an argument based on what you think is true. I'm here for a few people, not this religious clusterfuck.
Again, you keep saying "God" like you know what you're saying, but didn't answer the question: Can you tell me what you mean by "God?"
There is no Satan. You've been fooled because you can't fathom that the evil you see is in you, so it must certainly be another. Some ancient mystical creature. After all, everyone believes it so it must be true, right?
This is the danger of assumption, which I'm certainly guilty of as well at times. I could have been more clear, I'll admit, but assuming things instead of probing for more information when things aren't clear always leads to misunderstanding.
Read the Bible. It simultaneously explains exactly what I mean by God and corrects all your incorrect interpretations and assumptions of what I believe.
The whole basis of Christianity is that mankind is sinful, wicked, corrupt, etc.
Every true Christian accepts this. None say "the devil made me do it". Satan can't make anyone do anything. If he could, that would mean God didn't really give us free will. This is why the first thing he did was question the Word of God. He needed to DECEIVE Adam and Eve into doing what he wanted, he couldn't make them. Satan did not introduce sin to the world, man did.
None of what you say in argument meshes with this, hence me calling you ignorant.
Also, the entire Great Awakening is deeply intertwined with religion and God. Q makes that clear, as does Trump.
And I know exactly what I'm saying. Also, "everyone believes it"? The fuck? The vast majority of people do not believe, and of the ones who do, many are deceived into believing false doctrines that aren't in the Bible. Anyone who believes (in the Lord Jesus Christ that is, you can worship Allah all day long) is derided and attacked verbally if not physically by society at large and made out as absolute morons who have no right to an opinion and certainly no right to make their ideas a reality in government. How in the literal fuck is that the "easy", "everybody believes it" path?
It's not a competition, but you're still ignoring the argument I made to instead argue about religion. My point is simply that you are wrong in blaming God for the way someone acts when they don't act in line with how God told them to. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way around this being true. If I'm missing something, go ahead and tell me. Otherwise, and again my point is, if you truly don't care about losing an argument (I don't either) then you'd acknowledge that you were wrong in blaming God. Instead, you did neither and just started questioning me on religion. I'm fine with that, but not as a subject change. I'm happy to debate religion if we first finish the original argument (and acknowledge this could involve me being the wrong one.).
A Manchurian Candidate is still responsible for his actions, but it's understood that he was being controlled by an outside force.
If a muslim suicide bomber blows up a hundred people in the market he should be killed. But It's undersrood his programmed religion demanded it of him, crushing his mind and giving him no choice. Thus, the whole "Islam is not a peaceful religion" biteback.
If a self- proclaimed christian is an asshole and tears down and ridicules a truth seeker because his god doesn't approve and he believes "Satan" is involved, is he a natural asshole? No. His god has made him believe in devils and demons to the point where he'll attack another person for "looking" evil.
The god of the three main monotheistic religions is the same god, modified to each culture so as to fit and be easily assimilated. This god is a real being and loves being considered a god. Satan is an artificial being. Someone who worked in accord with "god" to create religions.
The reason it works is because people are born with a powerful connection to the Source Energy that is in everything and everyone. It's energy, unbiased, unopinionated, simply existing in All and from which All form and formless reality springs.
The monotheistic god you worship knew humans had that connection and so subverted the inherent knowing, convincing them over a relatively short time that HE was the source of their lives and why they felt a need to be with a god.
This god is not human and is the one behind these preceding millennia of increasingly horrifying conditions on earth. He is the one we're exposing now.
The best part is, he's not even that bad of a guy. His role is to test people in the game. All the destruction is offered by him but people clamor in line to sell out their fellow humans. Humans hurting humans and not even caring to seek out the Source in themselves was and is an easy thing to achieve. Throw a Satan in there and humans will writhe and wroggle in their inner filth, then sanctimoniously proclaim the devil is evil and the one to blame for destroying humanity.
There is no debate for me about religion. I know these entities. My knowledge isn't from a book.
He laughs when people perform genital mutilation on their baby boys. "It's impressive how evil people are with a little suggestion."
You tell me to read a book I've read twice through to find out what "God" means to you. Someone so important and you can't even define him.
I hope as a truth seeker you'll question your god; and one-on-one, not through a book or another man's ideas of god. We're all seeing in real time how quickly an entire population can be swayed by media. Your god rules media and has for thousands of years. If you really want to know him, you'll find yourself meeting him. It will be the greatest spiritual awakening you've ever had.
None of this has any basis in reality, only your mind. Humanist ideologies always fail because Humans are demonstrably fallible. This is why we need an outside source, the Bible, to know the truth. The all-knowing God who wrote the Bible knew this, hence why He did it the way He did. If your source is simply within, you are objectively unable to know any of what you claim for certain. You're just as likely right as you are a brain in a jar hallucinating the entirety of existence.
I could define Him, but I'd just be quoting the Bible. Straying from that simply introduces my own fallibility into the perfect word of the perfect being that created the world and the Bible. I suppose you could say everyone interprets it differently. In that case, if you want my base interpretation that much, I can gladly share it. But I take it you don't care and are happy in your own head.
And again, the Devil did not make anyone do it. This isn't what the Bible says or teaches. Adam and Eve caused humanity to fall. They alone made that choice. They had two being telling them two different things. They listened to Satan instead of God. That's on them, not Satan. Now he's not blameless, he deceived them, but he didn't make them do anything nor did he introduce sin to the world.
Your entire argument also falls apart when you consider that not every Christian does that. It is that the guy is a natural asshole, because otherwise every single person who follows the Word of the Bible would attack people based on them looking evil. But they don't (Hi there). The difference you are ignoring is that when one religion says "be kind" and the other religion says "kill people who don't share our faith" they aren't the fucking same. Islam is violent, Christianity does not preach being an asshole and does not make anyone do anything (nor does Islam). Guess we can throw denial of free will in with humanist ideology as it seems to be a theme here.
I'm sure I could "know these entities" too if I took some hallucinogenic mushrooms or something. The only question would be, do I accept what I saw or not? The problem is that while it's possible I opened some spiritual doorway, it's also possible my brain made it all up (this one is likely considering different people don't report consistency in anything relating to drug induced trips or NDEs or any such things). Now, to be clear, I'm not trying to insinuate you took a bunch of drugs to come to these conclusions as a way to brush off what you say, I'm just trying to elaborate further on the fallibility of the human mind and picked shrooms as my example.
Also, your god isn't even a god. Your "Source Energy" is. "My" God created everything that exists, is all powerful, all-knowing, all-good, exists outside of time, space, and matter, and is incapable of error, perfect in every way.
Finally, while a personal relationship with God is important, if I ever come to believe the Bible is wrong, that's it. Humans need something outside of themselves to believe in, or we end up where we are today. Because what's inside ourselves is fallible, wicked, largely illogical, compromised by emotions. Why would I trust that to come to an objective, supremely logical conclusion on a supreme being?
I didn't say that. Leave it to the atheist to put words in people's mouths. The Godless are so extremely toxic. It's sad to see. I've rarely met a down-to-earth atheist who didn't pride themselves on having "figured it all out" and thus acted better and smarter than everybody else.
Read the Bible. That's what I mean. My point is that he doesn't follow the Biblical example and claiming God made him the way he is, is ignorant. He listened to the world, not to God. As such, he behaves as the world has taught him.
The convenient thing about my argument is that it's true whether or not the Bible is true (it is). The Bible could be 100% made-up (it isn't) and it's still 100% true that the guy you're complaining about didn't base his behavior on it and has instead based his behavior on the example given to him by the world.
This is a losing argument for you, and not realizing this fact would simply confirm my suspicion that many if not most of the people who claim to be logical and intelligent but who don't believe in God aren't aware of anything I'm not, nor are they any more capable of coming to rational conclusions than I.
Satan invented psyops btw :)
This is what I had to go off off. Forgive my ignorance if I misunderstood what you were getting at.
As a side, why the does everyone think this is a competition? I don't care at all if I lose an argument based on what you think is true. I'm here for a few people, not this religious clusterfuck.
Again, you keep saying "God" like you know what you're saying, but didn't answer the question: Can you tell me what you mean by "God?"
There is no Satan. You've been fooled because you can't fathom that the evil you see is in you, so it must certainly be another. Some ancient mystical creature. After all, everyone believes it so it must be true, right?
Wrong.
This is the danger of assumption, which I'm certainly guilty of as well at times. I could have been more clear, I'll admit, but assuming things instead of probing for more information when things aren't clear always leads to misunderstanding.
Read the Bible. It simultaneously explains exactly what I mean by God and corrects all your incorrect interpretations and assumptions of what I believe.
The whole basis of Christianity is that mankind is sinful, wicked, corrupt, etc.
Every true Christian accepts this. None say "the devil made me do it". Satan can't make anyone do anything. If he could, that would mean God didn't really give us free will. This is why the first thing he did was question the Word of God. He needed to DECEIVE Adam and Eve into doing what he wanted, he couldn't make them. Satan did not introduce sin to the world, man did.
None of what you say in argument meshes with this, hence me calling you ignorant.
Also, the entire Great Awakening is deeply intertwined with religion and God. Q makes that clear, as does Trump.
And I know exactly what I'm saying. Also, "everyone believes it"? The fuck? The vast majority of people do not believe, and of the ones who do, many are deceived into believing false doctrines that aren't in the Bible. Anyone who believes (in the Lord Jesus Christ that is, you can worship Allah all day long) is derided and attacked verbally if not physically by society at large and made out as absolute morons who have no right to an opinion and certainly no right to make their ideas a reality in government. How in the literal fuck is that the "easy", "everybody believes it" path?
It's not a competition, but you're still ignoring the argument I made to instead argue about religion. My point is simply that you are wrong in blaming God for the way someone acts when they don't act in line with how God told them to. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way around this being true. If I'm missing something, go ahead and tell me. Otherwise, and again my point is, if you truly don't care about losing an argument (I don't either) then you'd acknowledge that you were wrong in blaming God. Instead, you did neither and just started questioning me on religion. I'm fine with that, but not as a subject change. I'm happy to debate religion if we first finish the original argument (and acknowledge this could involve me being the wrong one.).
A Manchurian Candidate is still responsible for his actions, but it's understood that he was being controlled by an outside force.
If a muslim suicide bomber blows up a hundred people in the market he should be killed. But It's undersrood his programmed religion demanded it of him, crushing his mind and giving him no choice. Thus, the whole "Islam is not a peaceful religion" biteback.
If a self- proclaimed christian is an asshole and tears down and ridicules a truth seeker because his god doesn't approve and he believes "Satan" is involved, is he a natural asshole? No. His god has made him believe in devils and demons to the point where he'll attack another person for "looking" evil.
The god of the three main monotheistic religions is the same god, modified to each culture so as to fit and be easily assimilated. This god is a real being and loves being considered a god. Satan is an artificial being. Someone who worked in accord with "god" to create religions.
The reason it works is because people are born with a powerful connection to the Source Energy that is in everything and everyone. It's energy, unbiased, unopinionated, simply existing in All and from which All form and formless reality springs.
The monotheistic god you worship knew humans had that connection and so subverted the inherent knowing, convincing them over a relatively short time that HE was the source of their lives and why they felt a need to be with a god.
This god is not human and is the one behind these preceding millennia of increasingly horrifying conditions on earth. He is the one we're exposing now.
The best part is, he's not even that bad of a guy. His role is to test people in the game. All the destruction is offered by him but people clamor in line to sell out their fellow humans. Humans hurting humans and not even caring to seek out the Source in themselves was and is an easy thing to achieve. Throw a Satan in there and humans will writhe and wroggle in their inner filth, then sanctimoniously proclaim the devil is evil and the one to blame for destroying humanity.
There is no debate for me about religion. I know these entities. My knowledge isn't from a book.
He laughs when people perform genital mutilation on their baby boys. "It's impressive how evil people are with a little suggestion."
You tell me to read a book I've read twice through to find out what "God" means to you. Someone so important and you can't even define him.
I hope as a truth seeker you'll question your god; and one-on-one, not through a book or another man's ideas of god. We're all seeing in real time how quickly an entire population can be swayed by media. Your god rules media and has for thousands of years. If you really want to know him, you'll find yourself meeting him. It will be the greatest spiritual awakening you've ever had.
Take care.
None of this has any basis in reality, only your mind. Humanist ideologies always fail because Humans are demonstrably fallible. This is why we need an outside source, the Bible, to know the truth. The all-knowing God who wrote the Bible knew this, hence why He did it the way He did. If your source is simply within, you are objectively unable to know any of what you claim for certain. You're just as likely right as you are a brain in a jar hallucinating the entirety of existence.
I could define Him, but I'd just be quoting the Bible. Straying from that simply introduces my own fallibility into the perfect word of the perfect being that created the world and the Bible. I suppose you could say everyone interprets it differently. In that case, if you want my base interpretation that much, I can gladly share it. But I take it you don't care and are happy in your own head.
And again, the Devil did not make anyone do it. This isn't what the Bible says or teaches. Adam and Eve caused humanity to fall. They alone made that choice. They had two being telling them two different things. They listened to Satan instead of God. That's on them, not Satan. Now he's not blameless, he deceived them, but he didn't make them do anything nor did he introduce sin to the world.
Your entire argument also falls apart when you consider that not every Christian does that. It is that the guy is a natural asshole, because otherwise every single person who follows the Word of the Bible would attack people based on them looking evil. But they don't (Hi there). The difference you are ignoring is that when one religion says "be kind" and the other religion says "kill people who don't share our faith" they aren't the fucking same. Islam is violent, Christianity does not preach being an asshole and does not make anyone do anything (nor does Islam). Guess we can throw denial of free will in with humanist ideology as it seems to be a theme here.
I'm sure I could "know these entities" too if I took some hallucinogenic mushrooms or something. The only question would be, do I accept what I saw or not? The problem is that while it's possible I opened some spiritual doorway, it's also possible my brain made it all up (this one is likely considering different people don't report consistency in anything relating to drug induced trips or NDEs or any such things). Now, to be clear, I'm not trying to insinuate you took a bunch of drugs to come to these conclusions as a way to brush off what you say, I'm just trying to elaborate further on the fallibility of the human mind and picked shrooms as my example.
Also, your god isn't even a god. Your "Source Energy" is. "My" God created everything that exists, is all powerful, all-knowing, all-good, exists outside of time, space, and matter, and is incapable of error, perfect in every way.
Finally, while a personal relationship with God is important, if I ever come to believe the Bible is wrong, that's it. Humans need something outside of themselves to believe in, or we end up where we are today. Because what's inside ourselves is fallible, wicked, largely illogical, compromised by emotions. Why would I trust that to come to an objective, supremely logical conclusion on a supreme being?