This is the danger of assumption, which I'm certainly guilty of as well at times. I could have been more clear, I'll admit, but assuming things instead of probing for more information when things aren't clear always leads to misunderstanding.
Read the Bible. It simultaneously explains exactly what I mean by God and corrects all your incorrect interpretations and assumptions of what I believe.
The whole basis of Christianity is that mankind is sinful, wicked, corrupt, etc.
Every true Christian accepts this. None say "the devil made me do it". Satan can't make anyone do anything. If he could, that would mean God didn't really give us free will. This is why the first thing he did was question the Word of God. He needed to DECEIVE Adam and Eve into doing what he wanted, he couldn't make them. Satan did not introduce sin to the world, man did.
None of what you say in argument meshes with this, hence me calling you ignorant.
Also, the entire Great Awakening is deeply intertwined with religion and God. Q makes that clear, as does Trump.
And I know exactly what I'm saying. Also, "everyone believes it"? The fuck? The vast majority of people do not believe, and of the ones who do, many are deceived into believing false doctrines that aren't in the Bible. Anyone who believes (in the Lord Jesus Christ that is, you can worship Allah all day long) is derided and attacked verbally if not physically by society at large and made out as absolute morons who have no right to an opinion and certainly no right to make their ideas a reality in government. How in the literal fuck is that the "easy", "everybody believes it" path?
It's not a competition, but you're still ignoring the argument I made to instead argue about religion. My point is simply that you are wrong in blaming God for the way someone acts when they don't act in line with how God told them to. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way around this being true. If I'm missing something, go ahead and tell me. Otherwise, and again my point is, if you truly don't care about losing an argument (I don't either) then you'd acknowledge that you were wrong in blaming God. Instead, you did neither and just started questioning me on religion. I'm fine with that, but not as a subject change. I'm happy to debate religion if we first finish the original argument (and acknowledge this could involve me being the wrong one.).
A Manchurian Candidate is still responsible for his actions, but it's understood that he was being controlled by an outside force.
If a muslim suicide bomber blows up a hundred people in the market he should be killed. But It's undersrood his programmed religion demanded it of him, crushing his mind and giving him no choice. Thus, the whole "Islam is not a peaceful religion" biteback.
If a self- proclaimed christian is an asshole and tears down and ridicules a truth seeker because his god doesn't approve and he believes "Satan" is involved, is he a natural asshole? No. His god has made him believe in devils and demons to the point where he'll attack another person for "looking" evil.
The god of the three main monotheistic religions is the same god, modified to each culture so as to fit and be easily assimilated. This god is a real being and loves being considered a god. Satan is an artificial being. Someone who worked in accord with "god" to create religions.
The reason it works is because people are born with a powerful connection to the Source Energy that is in everything and everyone. It's energy, unbiased, unopinionated, simply existing in All and from which All form and formless reality springs.
The monotheistic god you worship knew humans had that connection and so subverted the inherent knowing, convincing them over a relatively short time that HE was the source of their lives and why they felt a need to be with a god.
This god is not human and is the one behind these preceding millennia of increasingly horrifying conditions on earth. He is the one we're exposing now.
The best part is, he's not even that bad of a guy. His role is to test people in the game. All the destruction is offered by him but people clamor in line to sell out their fellow humans. Humans hurting humans and not even caring to seek out the Source in themselves was and is an easy thing to achieve. Throw a Satan in there and humans will writhe and wroggle in their inner filth, then sanctimoniously proclaim the devil is evil and the one to blame for destroying humanity.
There is no debate for me about religion. I know these entities. My knowledge isn't from a book.
He laughs when people perform genital mutilation on their baby boys. "It's impressive how evil people are with a little suggestion."
You tell me to read a book I've read twice through to find out what "God" means to you. Someone so important and you can't even define him.
I hope as a truth seeker you'll question your god; and one-on-one, not through a book or another man's ideas of god. We're all seeing in real time how quickly an entire population can be swayed by media. Your god rules media and has for thousands of years. If you really want to know him, you'll find yourself meeting him. It will be the greatest spiritual awakening you've ever had.
None of this has any basis in reality, only your mind. Humanist ideologies always fail because Humans are demonstrably fallible. This is why we need an outside source, the Bible, to know the truth. The all-knowing God who wrote the Bible knew this, hence why He did it the way He did. If your source is simply within, you are objectively unable to know any of what you claim for certain. You're just as likely right as you are a brain in a jar hallucinating the entirety of existence.
I could define Him, but I'd just be quoting the Bible. Straying from that simply introduces my own fallibility into the perfect word of the perfect being that created the world and the Bible. I suppose you could say everyone interprets it differently. In that case, if you want my base interpretation that much, I can gladly share it. But I take it you don't care and are happy in your own head.
And again, the Devil did not make anyone do it. This isn't what the Bible says or teaches. Adam and Eve caused humanity to fall. They alone made that choice. They had two being telling them two different things. They listened to Satan instead of God. That's on them, not Satan. Now he's not blameless, he deceived them, but he didn't make them do anything nor did he introduce sin to the world.
Your entire argument also falls apart when you consider that not every Christian does that. It is that the guy is a natural asshole, because otherwise every single person who follows the Word of the Bible would attack people based on them looking evil. But they don't (Hi there). The difference you are ignoring is that when one religion says "be kind" and the other religion says "kill people who don't share our faith" they aren't the fucking same. Islam is violent, Christianity does not preach being an asshole and does not make anyone do anything (nor does Islam). Guess we can throw denial of free will in with humanist ideology as it seems to be a theme here.
I'm sure I could "know these entities" too if I took some hallucinogenic mushrooms or something. The only question would be, do I accept what I saw or not? The problem is that while it's possible I opened some spiritual doorway, it's also possible my brain made it all up (this one is likely considering different people don't report consistency in anything relating to drug induced trips or NDEs or any such things). Now, to be clear, I'm not trying to insinuate you took a bunch of drugs to come to these conclusions as a way to brush off what you say, I'm just trying to elaborate further on the fallibility of the human mind and picked shrooms as my example.
Also, your god isn't even a god. Your "Source Energy" is. "My" God created everything that exists, is all powerful, all-knowing, all-good, exists outside of time, space, and matter, and is incapable of error, perfect in every way.
Finally, while a personal relationship with God is important, if I ever come to believe the Bible is wrong, that's it. Humans need something outside of themselves to believe in, or we end up where we are today. Because what's inside ourselves is fallible, wicked, largely illogical, compromised by emotions. Why would I trust that to come to an objective, supremely logical conclusion on a supreme being?
Have to add: you're damn right I don't have a god. I have a Creator who isn't a narcissistic brute with an insatiable thirst to be worshipped and that Creator is also from Source Energy.
You need to be controlled. Like the masses. Wait till you see the wizard behind the curtain lol
Your brainwashing is strong but it works. That's why 1/3 of the world's population agrees with you.
You've chosen tradition and belonging over truth. You parrot what any good christian would squawk to a T. You don't have a personal relationship with your god because you describe him as he describes himself and as humans using his words to further their own agendas describe him. "Think for yourself" doesn't apply to your thoughts on your god. In fact, you don't even have your own thoughts on who you think "God" is. How convenient for the church.
The beings I meet and interact with are not a result of drugs but of a sincere desire for truth. Seek and you shall find.
You're afraid to seek so you'll continue marching along in unison with a mass-produced religion, mocking my experiences because you don't understand them. They don't make sense to your very limited view so you dismiss them as "all in my head."
Yea, as a lifelong conspiracy realist, I've heard that a billion times. But look around. It's all in that crazy fucker's head until suddenly it's right out in the open. It's coming for religion, gods, ancient beings, et al.
That's the last chain of control the "evil" has on most people. I get to see those chains fall off. That's why I'm here in this time.
Go ahead and give another canned, cookie cutter reply. Thanks for the conversation but we're at an impasse.
I haven't even been to a church since before I can remember. I hear Christians say shit I disagree with on the daily, and toss it out as such. Likewise, I accept what I think best fits in with the Bible, i.e. the infallible Word of God. I don't have such a big ego that I think my own interpretations are perfect. I critically analyze opposing interpretations and consider them on their merits.
How the fuck was I brainwashed when I only started believing a few months ago? I continually asked God for faith, as I wanted to believe. Many of the kindest and most reasonable, logical people I came across were believers. One day, I eventually just believed (in part due to rational, logical, science-based arguments that prove the Bible and in large part due to God granting me what I asked for. Ask and ye shall receive.). I don't need you and your fake-ass bullshit that pretends to know anything about me to tell me that all the shit I've seen in my personal life just over the last few months to a year is invalid, and I was simply brainwashed by "the church" (which one btw?) I've never been to.
I don't need you to argue I'm brainwashed (and then cry when I insinuate you're delusional) by your boogeyman just because my own personal spiritual journey didn't come to the same conclusions as yours.
But I guess all Trump supports are brainwashed too. Surely, more than 1/3 of the world support what Trump is doing. I guess the colonists who came to America from England were brainwashed because surely more than 1/3 of them agreed that they wanted freedom from the crown. Your arguments are a joke.
Also, 1/3 agrees with me? The great schism disagrees with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. The dozens of denominations disagree with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. Jesus said that not all who say to him "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Clearly there's something more to this than "X number of people claim to be "Christians" so they all agree". Most denominations agree on the big stuff, namely that Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Testament, hence being called Christians. But our capability for critical thought leads to different views on certain topics in the Bible, hence all the denominations that try to best reflect what they interpret. Almost like you know fuck-all about Christianity and it's the exact opposite of what your ignorant claims present.
The sweet spot for how many people believe something these days seems to be somewhere less than half, but more than a tenth at least. When nobody believes something, it's almost always because it's some bullshit, not because 50 guys on some dead online forum figured it all out. When almost everybody believes something, particularly when it's an official narrative (i.e. the official narrative that religious people are dumb and Christianity is evil), it's usually because it's bullshit. There are of course exceptions in both cases, but these simply prove the rule. Christianity falls in this sweet spot (even more so if you start weeding out denominations that preach false doctrines), and what you believe doesn't. That doesn't mean anything on its own, I'm not so closed-minded as to claim that, but it does give a cursory indication of what is potentially likely.
You can't argue what I say, so you simply attack instead. You continually ignore my points on your ignorance of Christianity to instead jump to some other nonsense argument. You've wholly ignored my entire argument on the need for an objective truth vs something that can only be verified internally. You clearly have nothing to say other than peddle your own beliefs. I've peddled my beliefs too (though most of my arguments), the difference is I've posed arguments and reasons why I think my beliefs outweigh yours. You've simply attacked and invalidated any view that doesn't agree with yours.
You're an ignorant fool stuck in your beliefs who is unable to accept that your bigoted view on religious folk is imaginary and that they didn't all get brainwashed by some boogeyman "church" (russia russia russia anyone? Got a problem? Blame the (mythical magical imaginary) church!).
Also, here's an idea: if your beings really exist, God created them. Maybe they're angels, maybe they're demons, maybe they're something else entirely that our current world knows nothing about. I don't know, but I can't rule out the possibility because I'm capable of intelligent thought and don't elevate my own knowledge above that of the all-knowing God I know created everything. Go ahead and prove your beings exist, and I'll go ahead and have faith in the God who created them, you, and me.
As for explaining my view on God: Sorry, but kindly fuck off, and I don't think I will. I was considering it, but it's apparent now that if I do I'll just get slapped again with "hurr durr cookie cutter church response hurr durr". You only ever wanted to know so you could accuse me of some bullshit, and only persist in bringing it up due to your intellectual dishonesty.
And it's not my fault you don't understand what an objective belief system is. Sorry, but there's only so much variation possible when a group of people agrees on an objective interpretation of something.
We're at an impasse for sure, the impasse of your inability for intellectual debate.
This is the danger of assumption, which I'm certainly guilty of as well at times. I could have been more clear, I'll admit, but assuming things instead of probing for more information when things aren't clear always leads to misunderstanding.
Read the Bible. It simultaneously explains exactly what I mean by God and corrects all your incorrect interpretations and assumptions of what I believe.
The whole basis of Christianity is that mankind is sinful, wicked, corrupt, etc.
Every true Christian accepts this. None say "the devil made me do it". Satan can't make anyone do anything. If he could, that would mean God didn't really give us free will. This is why the first thing he did was question the Word of God. He needed to DECEIVE Adam and Eve into doing what he wanted, he couldn't make them. Satan did not introduce sin to the world, man did.
None of what you say in argument meshes with this, hence me calling you ignorant.
Also, the entire Great Awakening is deeply intertwined with religion and God. Q makes that clear, as does Trump.
And I know exactly what I'm saying. Also, "everyone believes it"? The fuck? The vast majority of people do not believe, and of the ones who do, many are deceived into believing false doctrines that aren't in the Bible. Anyone who believes (in the Lord Jesus Christ that is, you can worship Allah all day long) is derided and attacked verbally if not physically by society at large and made out as absolute morons who have no right to an opinion and certainly no right to make their ideas a reality in government. How in the literal fuck is that the "easy", "everybody believes it" path?
It's not a competition, but you're still ignoring the argument I made to instead argue about religion. My point is simply that you are wrong in blaming God for the way someone acts when they don't act in line with how God told them to. Unless I'm missing something, there is no way around this being true. If I'm missing something, go ahead and tell me. Otherwise, and again my point is, if you truly don't care about losing an argument (I don't either) then you'd acknowledge that you were wrong in blaming God. Instead, you did neither and just started questioning me on religion. I'm fine with that, but not as a subject change. I'm happy to debate religion if we first finish the original argument (and acknowledge this could involve me being the wrong one.).
A Manchurian Candidate is still responsible for his actions, but it's understood that he was being controlled by an outside force.
If a muslim suicide bomber blows up a hundred people in the market he should be killed. But It's undersrood his programmed religion demanded it of him, crushing his mind and giving him no choice. Thus, the whole "Islam is not a peaceful religion" biteback.
If a self- proclaimed christian is an asshole and tears down and ridicules a truth seeker because his god doesn't approve and he believes "Satan" is involved, is he a natural asshole? No. His god has made him believe in devils and demons to the point where he'll attack another person for "looking" evil.
The god of the three main monotheistic religions is the same god, modified to each culture so as to fit and be easily assimilated. This god is a real being and loves being considered a god. Satan is an artificial being. Someone who worked in accord with "god" to create religions.
The reason it works is because people are born with a powerful connection to the Source Energy that is in everything and everyone. It's energy, unbiased, unopinionated, simply existing in All and from which All form and formless reality springs.
The monotheistic god you worship knew humans had that connection and so subverted the inherent knowing, convincing them over a relatively short time that HE was the source of their lives and why they felt a need to be with a god.
This god is not human and is the one behind these preceding millennia of increasingly horrifying conditions on earth. He is the one we're exposing now.
The best part is, he's not even that bad of a guy. His role is to test people in the game. All the destruction is offered by him but people clamor in line to sell out their fellow humans. Humans hurting humans and not even caring to seek out the Source in themselves was and is an easy thing to achieve. Throw a Satan in there and humans will writhe and wroggle in their inner filth, then sanctimoniously proclaim the devil is evil and the one to blame for destroying humanity.
There is no debate for me about religion. I know these entities. My knowledge isn't from a book.
He laughs when people perform genital mutilation on their baby boys. "It's impressive how evil people are with a little suggestion."
You tell me to read a book I've read twice through to find out what "God" means to you. Someone so important and you can't even define him.
I hope as a truth seeker you'll question your god; and one-on-one, not through a book or another man's ideas of god. We're all seeing in real time how quickly an entire population can be swayed by media. Your god rules media and has for thousands of years. If you really want to know him, you'll find yourself meeting him. It will be the greatest spiritual awakening you've ever had.
Take care.
None of this has any basis in reality, only your mind. Humanist ideologies always fail because Humans are demonstrably fallible. This is why we need an outside source, the Bible, to know the truth. The all-knowing God who wrote the Bible knew this, hence why He did it the way He did. If your source is simply within, you are objectively unable to know any of what you claim for certain. You're just as likely right as you are a brain in a jar hallucinating the entirety of existence.
I could define Him, but I'd just be quoting the Bible. Straying from that simply introduces my own fallibility into the perfect word of the perfect being that created the world and the Bible. I suppose you could say everyone interprets it differently. In that case, if you want my base interpretation that much, I can gladly share it. But I take it you don't care and are happy in your own head.
And again, the Devil did not make anyone do it. This isn't what the Bible says or teaches. Adam and Eve caused humanity to fall. They alone made that choice. They had two being telling them two different things. They listened to Satan instead of God. That's on them, not Satan. Now he's not blameless, he deceived them, but he didn't make them do anything nor did he introduce sin to the world.
Your entire argument also falls apart when you consider that not every Christian does that. It is that the guy is a natural asshole, because otherwise every single person who follows the Word of the Bible would attack people based on them looking evil. But they don't (Hi there). The difference you are ignoring is that when one religion says "be kind" and the other religion says "kill people who don't share our faith" they aren't the fucking same. Islam is violent, Christianity does not preach being an asshole and does not make anyone do anything (nor does Islam). Guess we can throw denial of free will in with humanist ideology as it seems to be a theme here.
I'm sure I could "know these entities" too if I took some hallucinogenic mushrooms or something. The only question would be, do I accept what I saw or not? The problem is that while it's possible I opened some spiritual doorway, it's also possible my brain made it all up (this one is likely considering different people don't report consistency in anything relating to drug induced trips or NDEs or any such things). Now, to be clear, I'm not trying to insinuate you took a bunch of drugs to come to these conclusions as a way to brush off what you say, I'm just trying to elaborate further on the fallibility of the human mind and picked shrooms as my example.
Also, your god isn't even a god. Your "Source Energy" is. "My" God created everything that exists, is all powerful, all-knowing, all-good, exists outside of time, space, and matter, and is incapable of error, perfect in every way.
Finally, while a personal relationship with God is important, if I ever come to believe the Bible is wrong, that's it. Humans need something outside of themselves to believe in, or we end up where we are today. Because what's inside ourselves is fallible, wicked, largely illogical, compromised by emotions. Why would I trust that to come to an objective, supremely logical conclusion on a supreme being?
Have to add: you're damn right I don't have a god. I have a Creator who isn't a narcissistic brute with an insatiable thirst to be worshipped and that Creator is also from Source Energy.
You need to be controlled. Like the masses. Wait till you see the wizard behind the curtain lol
As Kip would say, Peace Out.
Keep on following your own mind's delusions and thinking you have some deep spiritual truth. It'll lead you to great places, I'm sure.
Your brainwashing is strong but it works. That's why 1/3 of the world's population agrees with you.
You've chosen tradition and belonging over truth. You parrot what any good christian would squawk to a T. You don't have a personal relationship with your god because you describe him as he describes himself and as humans using his words to further their own agendas describe him. "Think for yourself" doesn't apply to your thoughts on your god. In fact, you don't even have your own thoughts on who you think "God" is. How convenient for the church.
The beings I meet and interact with are not a result of drugs but of a sincere desire for truth. Seek and you shall find.
You're afraid to seek so you'll continue marching along in unison with a mass-produced religion, mocking my experiences because you don't understand them. They don't make sense to your very limited view so you dismiss them as "all in my head."
Yea, as a lifelong conspiracy realist, I've heard that a billion times. But look around. It's all in that crazy fucker's head until suddenly it's right out in the open. It's coming for religion, gods, ancient beings, et al. That's the last chain of control the "evil" has on most people. I get to see those chains fall off. That's why I'm here in this time.
Go ahead and give another canned, cookie cutter reply. Thanks for the conversation but we're at an impasse.
I haven't even been to a church since before I can remember. I hear Christians say shit I disagree with on the daily, and toss it out as such. Likewise, I accept what I think best fits in with the Bible, i.e. the infallible Word of God. I don't have such a big ego that I think my own interpretations are perfect. I critically analyze opposing interpretations and consider them on their merits.
How the fuck was I brainwashed when I only started believing a few months ago? I continually asked God for faith, as I wanted to believe. Many of the kindest and most reasonable, logical people I came across were believers. One day, I eventually just believed (in part due to rational, logical, science-based arguments that prove the Bible and in large part due to God granting me what I asked for. Ask and ye shall receive.). I don't need you and your fake-ass bullshit that pretends to know anything about me to tell me that all the shit I've seen in my personal life just over the last few months to a year is invalid, and I was simply brainwashed by "the church" (which one btw?) I've never been to.
I don't need you to argue I'm brainwashed (and then cry when I insinuate you're delusional) by your boogeyman just because my own personal spiritual journey didn't come to the same conclusions as yours.
But I guess all Trump supports are brainwashed too. Surely, more than 1/3 of the world support what Trump is doing. I guess the colonists who came to America from England were brainwashed because surely more than 1/3 of them agreed that they wanted freedom from the crown. Your arguments are a joke.
Also, 1/3 agrees with me? The great schism disagrees with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. The dozens of denominations disagree with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. Jesus said that not all who say to him "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Clearly there's something more to this than "X number of people claim to be "Christians" so they all agree". Most denominations agree on the big stuff, namely that Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Testament, hence being called Christians. But our capability for critical thought leads to different views on certain topics in the Bible, hence all the denominations that try to best reflect what they interpret. Almost like you know fuck-all about Christianity and it's the exact opposite of what your ignorant claims present.
The sweet spot for how many people believe something these days seems to be somewhere less than half, but more than a tenth at least. When nobody believes something, it's almost always because it's some bullshit, not because 50 guys on some dead online forum figured it all out. When almost everybody believes something, particularly when it's an official narrative (i.e. the official narrative that religious people are dumb and Christianity is evil), it's usually because it's bullshit. There are of course exceptions in both cases, but these simply prove the rule. Christianity falls in this sweet spot (even more so if you start weeding out denominations that preach false doctrines), and what you believe doesn't. That doesn't mean anything on its own, I'm not so closed-minded as to claim that, but it does give a cursory indication of what is potentially likely.
You can't argue what I say, so you simply attack instead. You continually ignore my points on your ignorance of Christianity to instead jump to some other nonsense argument. You've wholly ignored my entire argument on the need for an objective truth vs something that can only be verified internally. You clearly have nothing to say other than peddle your own beliefs. I've peddled my beliefs too (though most of my arguments), the difference is I've posed arguments and reasons why I think my beliefs outweigh yours. You've simply attacked and invalidated any view that doesn't agree with yours.
You're an ignorant fool stuck in your beliefs who is unable to accept that your bigoted view on religious folk is imaginary and that they didn't all get brainwashed by some boogeyman "church" (russia russia russia anyone? Got a problem? Blame the (mythical magical imaginary) church!).
Also, here's an idea: if your beings really exist, God created them. Maybe they're angels, maybe they're demons, maybe they're something else entirely that our current world knows nothing about. I don't know, but I can't rule out the possibility because I'm capable of intelligent thought and don't elevate my own knowledge above that of the all-knowing God I know created everything. Go ahead and prove your beings exist, and I'll go ahead and have faith in the God who created them, you, and me.
As for explaining my view on God: Sorry, but kindly fuck off, and I don't think I will. I was considering it, but it's apparent now that if I do I'll just get slapped again with "hurr durr cookie cutter church response hurr durr". You only ever wanted to know so you could accuse me of some bullshit, and only persist in bringing it up due to your intellectual dishonesty.
And it's not my fault you don't understand what an objective belief system is. Sorry, but there's only so much variation possible when a group of people agrees on an objective interpretation of something.
We're at an impasse for sure, the impasse of your inability for intellectual debate.