Again. I am not trying to be combative. This is a real dogmatic conundrum i have dealt with since I was 10. I STILL praise and worship Jesus Christ! But still
I'm not trying to be combative. I have an honest question i have never got a straight answer too.. if God knows EVERYTHING.. from start to finish beginning to end, and you end up in hell.. did you not get created just to burn? It cant be both ways. EITHER God Knows everything and he created you just to watch you burn (assuming you go to hell) or he doesn't know everything. "Free will" is a cop out. It just is. Again, not being combative. I just cant wrap my head around it
Free will to choose for your own self, to choose good or to choose evil. You were created for this time. You will know exactly what to do when fully awake and the time is right.
People will have a judgement, they're not immediately destined for hell.
This world is a neutral place that can either be bad or good depending on the people.
That requires their free will to choose, God didn't make them do what they did, it was from their own heart.
God knew how people will act and let them do it. He is God Almighty you might look around and see death but God is the creator of life, as it says in the Bible of the renewal of all things, everything will be made right, down to the exact soul.
To him the things that happen in this world is like a child falling off their bike is to us, even a lot less than that as he can and will correct all things.
He's letting people choose for themselves that will determine their eternal fate. Christ came for us to be redeemed from this world and we need to focus on the next world.
We're in it but not of it, were here as soldiers of Christ, to warn people and to comfort them. What helps me is to not focus on saving or freeing this world as it is meant to collapse.
As I started this comment there will be a judgement where Jesus will sieve the wheat from the chaff that includes those before the judgement throne, Christians have the direct free path to and greater authority in the millennial kingdom.
I also struggle with the temporary suffering in this world as I'm also a compassionate person but in the greater scheme of perfect peace, love, brotherhood, joy and freedom that will forever outlast time itself, this worlds tribulations are nothing in comparison.
I hope that helps fren as it helps me a lot, I don't know everything but I'm willing to put trust in God's goodness and when it's all exposed I am convinced that his goodness will be shown and I can enjoy the eternity he has promised us all without the wicked rebellious children corrupting and lying for their own gain.
God exists outside of time. It's hard to wrap your head around. But just because God knows the outcome doesn't mean he creates the outcome. You still have free-will. You still have control on where you end up.
One thing that we humans can't understand is the HOLINESS of God. Humans are so far behind God in terms of holiness that there is essentially no difference in the level of sinfulness of someone like Hitler, and someone who is a "good person". If Hitler is scored 1,000,000 on sinfulness (evil), and the "good person" is scored 10, they are both INFINITELY lower than God, because God is infinitely Holy. Humans trying to understand God is like an amoeba trying to understand humans.
Again. I am not trying to be combative. This is a real dogmatic conundrum i have dealt with since I was 10. I STILL praise and worship Jesus Christ! But still
I’m with you. I struggle with this and “how is an innocent Christian girl getting raped Gods will?”
I pray and ask God respectfully to give me some understanding. All I’ve got is that I’m a human and can’t understand how he created the world and people, or how someone can exist outside of time. So I accept God and the Bible as the truth because I’ve looked everywhere else for truth and found it in Jesus, whether I like or understand everything or not.
I believe that we all originated and all will return to the source of existence: God.. we'll exist on seperate planes and seperate from our higher self on 99.9999% of them.. seperate from the eternal source: God/ 100% eternal love energy. Meaning hell could be a temporary state just like a stint on Earth or a stint in pergatory(no consciousness) could be. All things seperate from the one eternal truth (GOD) isn't real.
Picture a newborn in a war torn area in the middle east or in africa.. completely innoccent just zapping to life in this plane of existence.. hot and dry and chaos and death and dispair for a brief moment in before dying in agony.. is that not hell? Now think about how we as Christians or spiritual beings believe we are eternal (because we feel it in our soul).. that poor baby is obviously moving on to a different plane to a different existence, no?.. that soul found itself in hell and it ended and eventually will return to the ultimate source. GOD. We all will.. so to me i see hell as another temporary plane and can be different for everyone in ways and planes we cant imagine but as long as we remember at our core.. in our souls.. we are a part of the one truth and we will all return as one.. which we havent even left in the first place.. because eternity is just one NOW
Free Will.
Again. I am not trying to be combative. This is a real dogmatic conundrum i have dealt with since I was 10. I STILL praise and worship Jesus Christ! But still
I'm not trying to be combative. I have an honest question i have never got a straight answer too.. if God knows EVERYTHING.. from start to finish beginning to end, and you end up in hell.. did you not get created just to burn? It cant be both ways. EITHER God Knows everything and he created you just to watch you burn (assuming you go to hell) or he doesn't know everything. "Free will" is a cop out. It just is. Again, not being combative. I just cant wrap my head around it
Free will to choose for your own self, to choose good or to choose evil. You were created for this time. You will know exactly what to do when fully awake and the time is right.
I agree with that. Please address my inquiry
People will have a judgement, they're not immediately destined for hell.
This world is a neutral place that can either be bad or good depending on the people.
That requires their free will to choose, God didn't make them do what they did, it was from their own heart.
God knew how people will act and let them do it. He is God Almighty you might look around and see death but God is the creator of life, as it says in the Bible of the renewal of all things, everything will be made right, down to the exact soul.
To him the things that happen in this world is like a child falling off their bike is to us, even a lot less than that as he can and will correct all things.
He's letting people choose for themselves that will determine their eternal fate. Christ came for us to be redeemed from this world and we need to focus on the next world.
We're in it but not of it, were here as soldiers of Christ, to warn people and to comfort them. What helps me is to not focus on saving or freeing this world as it is meant to collapse.
As I started this comment there will be a judgement where Jesus will sieve the wheat from the chaff that includes those before the judgement throne, Christians have the direct free path to and greater authority in the millennial kingdom.
I also struggle with the temporary suffering in this world as I'm also a compassionate person but in the greater scheme of perfect peace, love, brotherhood, joy and freedom that will forever outlast time itself, this worlds tribulations are nothing in comparison.
I hope that helps fren as it helps me a lot, I don't know everything but I'm willing to put trust in God's goodness and when it's all exposed I am convinced that his goodness will be shown and I can enjoy the eternity he has promised us all without the wicked rebellious children corrupting and lying for their own gain.
God exists outside of time. It's hard to wrap your head around. But just because God knows the outcome doesn't mean he creates the outcome. You still have free-will. You still have control on where you end up.
2.GOD CREATES YOU AND YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE AND END UP BURNING IN A LAKE OF FIRE FOREVER
3.. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING BUT HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD DO WITH YOUR BLIP OF TIME ON EARTH.
GOD JUDGES YOU TO ETERNAL DAMNATION CUZ WELL.. HE KNOWS EVERYTHING BUT JUST NOT WHAT YOU WOULD DO .. YOU DID BAD. BURN IN HELL
GOD KNOWS ALL BUT NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE
make it make sense. PLEASE
One thing that we humans can't understand is the HOLINESS of God. Humans are so far behind God in terms of holiness that there is essentially no difference in the level of sinfulness of someone like Hitler, and someone who is a "good person". If Hitler is scored 1,000,000 on sinfulness (evil), and the "good person" is scored 10, they are both INFINITELY lower than God, because God is infinitely Holy. Humans trying to understand God is like an amoeba trying to understand humans.
Again. I am not trying to be combative. This is a real dogmatic conundrum i have dealt with since I was 10. I STILL praise and worship Jesus Christ! But still
I’m with you. I struggle with this and “how is an innocent Christian girl getting raped Gods will?” I pray and ask God respectfully to give me some understanding. All I’ve got is that I’m a human and can’t understand how he created the world and people, or how someone can exist outside of time. So I accept God and the Bible as the truth because I’ve looked everywhere else for truth and found it in Jesus, whether I like or understand everything or not.
I believe that we all originated and all will return to the source of existence: God.. we'll exist on seperate planes and seperate from our higher self on 99.9999% of them.. seperate from the eternal source: God/ 100% eternal love energy. Meaning hell could be a temporary state just like a stint on Earth or a stint in pergatory(no consciousness) could be. All things seperate from the one eternal truth (GOD) isn't real.
Picture a newborn in a war torn area in the middle east or in africa.. completely innoccent just zapping to life in this plane of existence.. hot and dry and chaos and death and dispair for a brief moment in before dying in agony.. is that not hell? Now think about how we as Christians or spiritual beings believe we are eternal (because we feel it in our soul).. that poor baby is obviously moving on to a different plane to a different existence, no?.. that soul found itself in hell and it ended and eventually will return to the ultimate source. GOD. We all will.. so to me i see hell as another temporary plane and can be different for everyone in ways and planes we cant imagine but as long as we remember at our core.. in our souls.. we are a part of the one truth and we will all return as one.. which we havent even left in the first place.. because eternity is just one NOW