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The whole religion is set up for people to let themselves be abused and down trodden trusting the words of a fictional entity .turn the other cheek means children grow up allowing abuse of all kinds. .don't worry about spiritual growth..just say your son sent me and a free ticket to a mythical heaven when the real Yeshua said. Kingdom of heaven is inside you . Believing someone one else can die a horrible death to give you a free ride
How can people jeer at Jews believing sacrificing cattle can purify them from the evil they have done and religions think a human sacrifice can purify them.?
Well we don't understand the mechanics of it. But many of us have seen or experienced strong evidence.
Most of us (all of us) couldn't access the kingdom for various reasons. Shame is the biggest of those, in my opinion. Knowing that we're forgiven helps with shame.
Forgiven by whom?
Along with a body comes Strong emotions.. negative and positive...shame guilt worry fear anger..greed arrogance being classed as worst.... all negative emotions...positive emotions like kindness compassion empathy understanding forgiveness tolerance not have a raging ego..I say this as humility now has a different connotation . The story of a rich man not able to enter kingdom of heaven is about a man rich in ego ...not money ...
our task is to learn to control the emotions..they are like rampaging elephants...not to bury them but control.. no easy task given the situations that arise. Doing this allows the conquering of ego..it has its place..but it must not come first...
To forgive YOUR SELF when you fall short as we all do..is to allow you to forgive others.
You can tell someone who projects their lack of forgiveness on others..condemning and judging and arrogantly assuming they will inherit the kingdom..when they are so far away from it.
The same thing with love..only when you learn about yourself..KNOW THYSELF ..and forgive and love your SELF can you then love others.
I would recommend krishnamurti who says truth is a pathless land and everyone's path is different....to know yourself is the highest commandment..the I AM....
If what you're saying is correct and heaven is indeed mythical, why does it matter if people believe it does?
What harm comes from following the ten commandments and loving your neighbor as yourself?
Sounds to me like you're claiming "spiritual growth" is what one is missing out on.
And so what?
Should I follow Krishnamurti and the other Theosophists and Jesuits who worship Satan behind closed doors?
Should one not question why Krishnamurti was awarded the UN Peace Medal in 1984?
Should one "Open the door" to those forces through transcendental meditation, as Krishnamurti suggests?
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=iG2hHtxiXyoC
How is this not the very lie Satan told in the Garden of Eden?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
You people!! Condemning others..you have no idea hat krishnamurti did behind closed doors but you want to denigrate everyone who doesn't hnk as you do..you give religion the bad name It has
I don't disagree with the general sentiment here. Christ helps us avoid the emotions (spiritual influences) that hamper our chances of attaining the eternal. He helps us overcome our worldly programming that we share with animals. Our emotions and feelings (spiritual influences) who control us. Fear, hunger, pride, shame (inverse pride), etc, stand in the way of our freedom. They exist to control us. They keep us in a cycle, keep playing hot potato with us, passing us from one emotional state to another, from pain to pleasure and back again, in a vortex toward the Earth.
Metaphorically, Christ gives us the ability to not touch a hot stove without ceding control to the fear of being burned. We punish ourselves with shame after we've erred, subconsciously justifying this as something we deserve, that we need. We allow Shame to come into us, as we go into Shame, because we think it's what's needed in order to avoid repeating the mistake.
Christ became sin (your error, the vector separating you from the I AM), overcame Fear and Shame (the experience of that separation), giving us the option to choose him instead of them. Just like the I AM, Christ is now within us. He became part of humanity in order to save us from the spirits we give ourselves over to under duress. He is always connected to the I AM, your I AM, even as we spin away from from God and from ourselves, and therefore our connection is always maintained.
Just LARP it, no need to trust me. Next time you're feeling anything that is separating you from the I AM, think about how Christ became that separation. The separation is now your return path. Now we can assert our freedom over the spirits of punishment (or reward) that keep us aiming too low (or high). He overcame them, enveloped them, so that you need not give yourself over to them. Now instead of being guided by pain & pleasure, shame & pride, etc., you can freely (and only through freedom) choose Truth & Love, thus remaining connected to your I AM.
This Christ doesn't exist.....
but in any case it's YOUR job to overcome the lower emotions..work your way up through the higher chakras....this is what we are here to do...transform energies. ...not have a Christ intervene and interfere in it if that were possible which it isn't.
I don't understand your explanation of the I AM
.....gurdjieff wrote a book...life is real...only then...when I AM. (real)
When you are your authentic self...real then you can live a real life. You have got rid of ..let's call them sub personalities and your lower emotions .....be master in your house.
You have undergone the mental war...the jihad ..the head and the heart are in harmony..there are no inner arguments...there is inner peace...
Hope I am making this understandable
People live in a fantasy world...not the real world . They live in their heads. They think they are the name they were given...that they were born...that they die....this inauthentic self rules their life...their desires rule them..sex money power ambition etc .the lower chakras rule.
..the Jesuits say give me a child from one to seven and I will give you the man....it's true in most cases. The child believes what he sees and hears..about religion...the history of the world and his place in it.. he will repeat this cycle for the rest of his life. He will copy and parrot his parents his priests the propaganda on TV..he will think the words he says belong to him. The I AM .but they do not.
..the inauthentic self copies everything he sees and hears believing it to be true....all the false histories..the lies of religion..where we came and where we are going etc ..that cycle repeats until you die..still mentally that child.
You have to go inside.yourself....the kingdom of heaven is within you..not in some heaven......in the gospel of Thomas it talks about if thine i. is single thy body shall be full of light....your third eye..the pineal gland connects us to higher worlds
.we don't need some human to murder himself to save us even if that where possible......it's our job to save ourselves and no one can do it for us..
For someone to act as a human sacrifice would have a very negative effect wouldn it? The recipients would feel full of guilt shame and anger..all emotions that would be projected out into the world...negative emotions ....it would also prevent work on oneself wouldn't it?
Yes it does.so I see religion and men in frocks to be wicked people intent on keeping children that they can control for money and power..childish things..
You will die a child playing with your toys unless YOU work. ...