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Interesting, thanks! The first slaves brought into the US were Irish children.
Almost the first slaves in the New World were Irish sent by James II to Caribbean sugar farms.
whoa. super cool. https://www.choctawnation.com/about/history/irish-connection/
My family were granted land in the Ulster Plantation, I'm told during the famine my family sold a lot of our land to buy food to feed the starving Irish, which I'm proud of.
Many other land owners wouldn't do that but then during the Easter rising if a male in my family turned 18 they were kidnapped and executed. My nan had brothers, cousins and uncles killed.
Then Ireland got there free state and 200-300,000 protestants that fell on the wrong side of the border just disappeared and noone asks where they went.
My family had to leave everything behind and move to Belfast. They forgot that we kept their ancestors alive during the famine and then commited genocide against us.
A lot of evil done on both sides
My dad's family originated in Ulster as well - County Fermanagh. They were some of those that were not Scottish imports but original Irish clans. We often speculate on what concessions they had to make with the crown in order to keep their ancestral lands when others were removed. Then again, we were a stubborn lot. My father's family immigrated to the US long before the famines - before the Revolutionary War.
During the famines, besides buying food, some land owners bought passage for many Irish to immigrate to the US rather than starve. Entire areas were depopulated by the mass migration. What people also don't understand about Ireland is that all that bad blood between North and South, Protestant and Catholic, did not go away. It is still bubbling beneath the surface and any match could set it ablaze again.
Wow you're family went long before the war of independence that's impressive. You must have a Scots Irish connection as I thought it was all Scots that migrated, I might be wrong and some native Irish also went.
My family are originally from Donegal so not that far away. Both were taken into the Irish free state.
You're right tensions are really high, Sinn Fein(Irish republican nationalist party) had a very successful election and the census is showing that catholics outnumber protestants the first time ever.
Also, the New IRA and Saoradh have started to ramp up the fighting again. These NIRA are a lot like antifa, they have some of the same talking points and doctrines.
It is a powder keg that's ready to blow and It looks like a lot of people are hell bent in taking it that direction.
I have a mix on my father's side of English and Irish. The family is mixed with Scots here and there after coming to the colonies, but the original clan is Irish - one of the few that remained with an ancestry that goes back centuries. Not many in Ulster do. The English were brutal and unfortunately they finished what the clan fighting started. From what I understand, the landscape of my ancestors did not make things easy for others to take over - they had some good defensive strategic positions. Then again, we can never underestimate just plain old politics. One of my ancestors, a clan head, married a daughter of Edward I - better known as Longshanks from Braveheart fame. Their European royal connections brought with it certain perks. Staying intact in Ulster being one, and immigration to the colonies was another.
I guess some immigrated to the colonies to get out while the getting was good - the political winds in Europe were a changing and the Brits were fickle as to whether favor would continue. They immigrated and set up homesteads and other operations in the colonies with their wealth rather than stay in Ulster. I actually have one colony born ancestor that was a young drummer for Washington. The Continental army bought his first three drums. He kept getting holes shot in them. The last four he had to purchase himself. Also as a side note, I have a non-Irish ancestor, the son of a Mennonite, that was with Washington when he crossed the Delaware. My father's side of the family has been in the US since the beginning.
Thanks for the update on the Irish political factions all jockeying for position. I always tell people that the appearance of peace in Ireland is only a facade for the tensions that lie underneath - its in our DNA. Lol
I am afraid that the next couple of years could push many long held animosities to break forth in Europe as things degrade. Europeans have been fighting each other for centuries with only short periods of truce. A united Europe is a modern construct held together by mutual financial benefit. When the squeeze happens and that benefit is removed, there will be nothing to hold them together and we may witness those old national rivalries resurface for nationalistic self preservation. The continent once again may find itself in struggle and chaos. I just pray that the Irish find their fighting spirit buried within them so they can survive what is coming. Their geography will protect them to some extent - but they will need to do the rest.
Irish slavery still exists - they are called indentured domestic help and au pers.