Your Alt-Reality Is Boring......A plea for more interesting alt-realities than the Moon Landing Hoax, Flat Earth, and No Virus.
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i shouldn't reply to you anymore but i'm going to anyway,,
you said " I personally know the guy making the offer. I can vouch for him. Calling him a conman is a cop out."
Yes, I fully believe he is a conman, you are being conned. (or other things..)
you said " If you've got a legit proof, give it to me and I'll take it to him. I'm only interested in the truth. I'm not married to either side of the argument, despite the fact that the score is like 287 to 0 right now."
there is plenty of proof out on the interwebs since he has denied 287 people to claim the prize, this further reinforces my belief that he is a connman. and yes you are married to one side, that is obvious.
you said "I'm willing to change my mind but it appears you don't share the same sentiment. Which is it? Are you more interested in the truth or in defending the globe?
I don't believe you are actually willing to change your mind. and I am not Interested in Defending the Truth, that the earth is a Globe, I said that from the very onset, remember in my very first post, i said that I have found it pointless to argue against them.. I am not interested in changing your mind, I don't care. You are wrong, and if you want to continue to believe wrong things and be conned, that is on you. I also don't care about your opinions or "facts" as to why you think the earth is Flat, I don't care about this idiot dangling 3 bitcoins. Your language is very typical of leftists, by trying to appeal about how "open minded" you are, and by counter, how "Closed minded" I am without explicitly stating so. you are using leftist tactics. I will keep my assumptions about what I think you are to myself thou.
You said "You say you've got the proof that ends the FE movement. Great. I'll keep all the money and you can smile in the background knowing it was your proof that killed it if that's the way you'd like to do it."
I have said no such thing, I have not said that I have proof that ends the FE movement. I specifically said that Any proof offered is rejected by FE's, they cannot THINK. they cannot do simple experiments, they cannot follow hypotheticals either.... That being said, I will offer this.. I HAVE done videos showing how easy it is to disprove that the earth is flat, but I will not be offering any of those up. I have no intention of Doxxing myself. I will also point out.. it is very EASY to prove that the earth is NOT FLAT... it is HARDER to prove that it is round, but not impossible.. it involves measuring the distance to the moon (which you can do at home) and also involves measuring phases and times between.., and measuring the distance to venus.. which you can also do at home, from there you can get the sun distance, and diameter (guess what it's HUGE and far..) all these measurements destroys flat earth, but more importantly will determine that the only shape of the earth that works with those measurements is a Round one, and you can get a measurable radius of the earth... all of this was done Hundreds of years ago if not thousands, with crude instruments. btw, and I will give you this Eratosthenes did not actually prove that the earth is round, he simply measured the size.. a MODFIED version of Eratosthenes experiment can prove that the earth is round, where you use 3 or More rulers, scattered across the earth, where you measure both the length, and vector of the shadow, will demonstrate that the earth is round, and you can also calculate the radius . No I am not interested in doing any of these experiments with you. maybe in the future I will make another video on this, but it won't be for awhile because I am not that interested, and I am not that interested in doxxing myself. I am not interested in falling for that conmans bait either.
Another one,, a simple SHIP's gyrocompass does NOT work on a non rotating earth, , a ship gyrocompass is not the same as a simple aircraft gyrocompass.
A ship's gyrocompass,, which are HUGE and bulky, rely on the earths rotation in order to show the proper heading, I have tried to explain this to flat earthers before, but they don't understand how those compasses work. they mistake them for aircraft heading indicators, they do not understand the physics behind any of it, it is an uphill battle to explain it, even after showing graphical videos describing their function, they still think the earth doesn't rotate.
you said "I know Dave Weiss and I know he's good for the 3 bitcoin offer. You now have nothing to lose"
that offer is a joke., any and all FE proof offered to him, he won't understand, and he will reject, or he is a conman, my money is on the latter.. in which case he will only change his mind when it is convenient, or never.
I'm going to leave you to your beliefs. If you don't understand that these instruments were designed to feign a "globe earth", then that's that. You're thinking along the same lines as people who claim "GPS proves the globe", who are unaware that GPS is a man-made system designed to fake the globe. Magnetic declination is not real. It's a fraud to stretch the plane onto a sphere. Pretty slick, eh?
We're looking for a proof that's scientifically repeatable and irrefutable. There should be thousands of these. But there are none.
All the distances and measurements you're talking about you take on faith from the Freemasons and Jesuit priests who invented them out of thin air. Nothing is as it seems and not a one of these deceivers is providing us even a whiff of truthful information. They created NASA. They are NASA. And NASA has told us nothing but lies since their inception. Same goes for the hundreds of years before.
The bottom line is we can see way too far my friend. We have the telescopic lenses today that disprove the alleged radius and circumference of the globe. With the distances we can see, you would have to multiply current values by nearly 100x for the globe to be possible. And a 2.5 million mile circumference clearly isn't possible. So this is game over the globe.
There's nothing to argue about. You can invoke man-made measurements, distances and instruments all you like, but none of them account for the fact that we can use our own eyeballs with telescopic lenses and see way beyond the mythical 3-6 mile "curvature" that simply doesn't exist. The 3-6 mile distance is the limits of human perception based on atmospheric conditions, not the "curvature of the earth". And there are literally thousands of videos and images online today that prove it. And you can go out and get your own high-powered camera or telescope and see for yourself. So we don't need any "experts" to weigh-in or any complex explanations that only an anointed few can comprehend. The layperson can see for themselves with their own eyes today. And this, is simply irrefutable now. There's nothing to argue about.
no no no. why are you bringing up GPS? no one brought up GPS? comparing GPS to a SHIPS GYRO COMPASS is like comparing a Slide rule to a computer, Do you think Slide rules are faked too? What happened to being open minded? Magnetic declination has NOTHING to do with A Ship GyroCompass, a Ship GYRO compass only points Truth north, it is NOT effected by magnetism at all. No one mentioned magnetic declination, in fact your statements show you don't know what the hell you are talking about
what happened to your open mindedness? a Ship's Gyro Compass will literally ONLY WORK on a rotating spherical earth. It contains NO computers, NO electronics of any kind besides a simple motor.. IT is a Large spinning wheel (a gryo) in a cage, with a small weight on the bottom, They have been in existence since 1852, and on Ships in the early 1900's, Nobody designing these things thought about "how can we fool them about the flath earth", the designs are there for everyone to see, and they work through the beauty of physics. the same immutable physics that every machine on the planet works with, the same that allow your car to go, your bike to roll, your helicopter to fly, everything, Physics given to us by God if you want to put it that way.
the same basic principals allow that Ship's Gyro compass to Always point True north, through purely mechanical means, but means that ONLY work on a rotating round earth. 1000's and 1000's of these compasses have been made, all operating perfectly on a round ocean, with no computers in sight. It is a Practical invention that has been used in navigation for Hundreds of years, are these sailors all liars too?
Your argument that these have been made to "feign" round earth is laughable, and it goes back to my original conclusion, flat earthers Can't Think. they Can't reason, they can't hypothesis, they aren't worth arguing too They don't want to think. educate yourself https://www.britannica.com/technology/gyrocompass
btw, i'm leaning towards you just being a troll, i'm annoyed at myself for getting caught up in this crap, i wanted to do some Skyrim VR last night. all the other stuff you said about telescopes and 3-6 mile distances is too easy to disprove, and is laughable, so i'm not getting into it. FOCUS on the Gyro compass.. i was hoping you would come up with something Clever about it, but you failed, if you aren't a Troll, i'm just sad.. thou a Ship's Gryo compass is basically Irrefutable proof, however that requires an understanding of how they work, which you don't have,
why don't you bring this up with that 3 bit conman? maybe you can spend a few days figuring out a rebuttle that actually makes partial sense. I know that a Ship's Gryo compass has never been brought up in flat earth discussions before, it completely destroys FE. it is just too complicated for FE's to understand thou
Let's end this smart guy, before you blow a gasket. You're losing your marbles. If you don't agree with this, which everybody does I've ever interacted with, then you must have some type of comprehension disability. ) We'll use the United States and Western Europe as our reference point. The earth is said to be spinning somewhere between 700-800 MPH in these latitudes. Right? So we'll just have fun with the average 750 MPH.
Next we're told that the "atmosphere" is magically velcroed to the surface of the earth and that they are both moving together in unison. Right?
As redonkulous as both of these nonsensical ideas are, I'll assume they're true for the following proof that ends the globe THEORY.
We now have an "atmosphere" moving 750 MPH, West to East. Thus, it would be absolutely impossible to fly an airplane from NY to LA against a 750 MPH headwind. Not only would that take enormous amounts of fuel and power, but the airframe of any modern jet could not withstand those forces. Add to that, the plane would have to be traveling greater than 750 MPH to even get off the ground headed in this direction. And as we both know, the top speed of commercial jets at 30,000+ feet is at most around 550 MPH. That's 200 MPH short of gaining any distance against the 750 MPH rotating earth and it's velcro'ed atmosphere.
If you try to argue that the atmosphere isn't glued to the globe and is stationary in comparison to the 750 MPH spin, then you've got a new problem. I should be able to float up in a hot air balloon in NY and just wait a couple hours for LA (or SF) to just spin right under my hovering baloon. Either that or, it would be impossible to travel from LA to NY as the spinning globe underneath you is moving 200+ MPH faster, west to east, then you can fly at top speed in a commercial jet. You could never catch up with the globe. And likewise, you should be able to fly from NY to LA in less than 2 hours as you would pick up 1500 miles alone in 2 hours from the rotation.
Either one or the other is true - moving or non-moving atmosphere. Either way, one of the two scenarios cannot be justified.
You can't make sense of it man. I suppose you could try all you want. But I've shut down more globers with this argument alone. They've got no comebacks.
But as passionate as you are about defending the globe, I'm sure you'll try.
So please, make a sensible argument opposing the above scenario(s). I'm all ears. Waiting to be enlightened. How do you explain this most obvious problem?
btw, if your "Friend" was honest, the proper way to offer a prize like that, is to do the following, 1, put the money in escrow with a 3rd independent party, agreed upon by BOTH parties, 2, write a contract with a set of rules as to what justifies PROOF, for example if " the results of "Such and such experiment provide a certain result, (or a series of experiments) provide such and such results, then that constitutes as PROOF, or if the experiment fails then it constitutes non proof.. again.. These experiments and results would have to BOTH be agreed upon by both parties. the 3rd party would be in charge of declaring if the experiment failed or not., in fact a 3rd party would have to DO the experiment(s)
as an example experiment, I can predict which direction a Gyro compass will precess in the northern hemisphere, and the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere, and if it fails then I lose, , again a LOT of agreeing between both parties about what type of compass is used, and the exact details of how the experiment is carried out, etc
your friend would never agree to any of this and neither would you, you badgered me for irrefutable proof, , and frankly there it is, an Old Ship's Gyro compass an invention that has been around for well over a 100 years, and absolutely will never work on a flat earth, and only work on a rotating round earth. your response to this claim is exactly what i expected, you're now backing away, and trying to cloud the concept with GPS and magnetism, and freemasonry none of which have to do with a very analog ships gyro compass.
as far as measuring distances? i was talking about starting completely from scratch.. you can with complex geometry (and time) measure the distance to the moon,, and to the sun, and to venus without assuming ANY pre known distances or any assumptions whatsoever. it is MATH, and Geometry. I know how to do it, so no, there isn't any pre-assumed distances from freemasons or priests, that's garbage. you Can measure the distance to the moon, without lasers or computers, you CAN measure the distance to venus (and the sun) without lasers or radar, , there are ways to do it with nothing more than a protractor, and math, and time. without any "pre known" distances
also "annointed few??" , this is like basic highschool stuff... I love how you wallow in and are so proud of your ignorance
You're losing it bro! Relax man. You're gonna blow a gasket.
The ship gyro works on a flat plane just fine. You're caught in the same sort of conundrum as so many are, like the Erashtothenes "stick proof" which only works on a globe if all the Jesuit/freemason-invented "distances" are relevant. It's an argument nobody can win as the globers insist the cited distances are right and the FE'ers say no way. Nobody wins. The globers don't even have the decency to admit that if the sun was indeed only 3000-4000 miles away then the "stick proof" would work on a flat earth plane. They all have zero credibility in my eyes for behaving in this way. They whine and cry like the libtard leftists that they apparently are. Same behavior. Zero cordiality.
I don't know what I don't know about the marine gyro. Honestly, I've never heard anybody bring it up in relation to the earth shape argument. So what can I say about it? What I do know is I've seen hundreds of other so-called "globe proofs" get shot down over the past 5 years, so I expect this to also go the way of the dodo bird too. But hey, maybe you're right!!!!
I'll definitely check it out and see what I can learn. What I do know with certainty is that the SEXTANT was used by sea captains for centuries to navigate the oceans. And a sextant **ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY REQUIRES A FLAT PLANE to complete the triangle. The arguments I've listened to from globers on this topic are also pathetic. Zero reason, zero logic, more nonsensical leftist whining!!!
Your whole "bet" rules are reasonable if you also had skin in the game. But since you don't, all of that escrow and contract stuff is a pointless waste of time and money. Worst case scenario, your "proof" turns out to be correct and you destroy the FE movement but don't get paid. You really aren't losing anything. You could probably sue Dave though. I'm sure he would do a simple contract with you however.
But if you're willing to wager 3 bitcoin ($~54,000 USD) of your own, now that's a different story. I can arrange the contract, escrow and bet for you if this is the case. Just let me know and I'll get in touch with Dave. You'll obviously have to Dox yourself at that point. Are you game?
You do realize your marine gyro must show that its readings would have to be impossible on a flat plane, right? I'm guessing this is at the core of the confusion but I don't know for sure. If the FE group can show how it would work on a plane, then we're just right back to square zero. We shall see. I'll ask a few guys that I know and see if they've ever looked at it.
I've just seen so many arguments about how star observations or planetary precessions, or the appearance of the sun not getting smaller, or constellations in different hemispheres prove the globe but in reality, they do nothing of the sort. I'd say most of the "things" we see in the sky aren't "things" at all. Wouldn't that be something? Is projected light a "thing"? Assuming you agree that it's not a "thing" like a rock or a burning ball of helium is a "thing". I don't know for sure, but that's what I suspect.
Anyway, all these arguments are based on impossible to verify or prove distances, sizes, optical effects and a whole host of other variables. The FE'ers can't prove to the globers what they say is happening and vice versa. It's all theory and speculation in this realm.
The reason I highly doubt your marine gyro "proof" is because I know we can see way too far for the "curvature" to be true. This is a problem none of you globers ever seem to want to address. All I've ever heard is the FE'ers are "lying" about all their videos and pictures. That's a cop out of course, as I have personally seen objects way too far away through a Nikon P900 myself. My own eyes aren't lying. As such, if this is the only defense the globers have for all these photos and pictures, then I can only conclude we're dealing with a bunch of whiney adolescents that refuse to acknowledge the obvious.
Have you attempted to look at objects "beyond the curvature" with a telephoto lens yet? If not, why not?