So we listened to Riley's interview linked in another thread. Afterward, we went for a walk and the conversation naturally lent itself to what we had just heard. My husband is a God fearing patriot who served two tours in Iraq. He is military through and through.
My position: If the military didn't remove bodily autonomy by compelling members of the armed forces to put things into their bodies that they didn't want, people like Riley would still be in the military.
His position: Members of the armed services lose the right to bodily autonomy when they join. If one is ordered to take a given series of vaccines or meds, then one should have faith in the higher-ups who've deemed it necessary and follow those orders. If members of the military are allowed to pick and choose what they put in their bodies, then the chain of command breaks down and weakens the military as a whole. He went on to say that he was given all kinds of things when he served and he never questioned it. "It's the military way."
My counter position: But the c-19 vaccine was experimental and was only authorized for emergency use, which is why the FDA rushed the approval in order to give a legal leg to stand on with regard to the mandate. I contend that if members of the military have the right to refuse to put something in their bodies, then at least they are protected from anyone at the top who is involved in nefarious actions.
His contention: the military can't categorize orders (medical, combat etc) and function properly. An order is an order. Those who can't or won't follow them have the opportunity to leave the military.
We rarely talk about this kind of thing and today I was reminded of why...I can't help but wonder based on the Riley interview and papers if the CCP wasn't fully aware of this military mindset and this was part of their plan to weaken our military all along...with the help of JB of course...
Neither of you are wrong.
Question is, should a citizen give up their rights when enlisting? Is there a way to structure the military that accommodates individual liberty?
That is incorrect. The husband is wrong, and acting like an NPC.
There is a concept called "lawful" and "unlawful" orders in UCMJ. It requires each member of the military to evaluate whether orders are lawful - or not. The purpose of this is to try and prevent the situation in WW2 where Nazi soldiers participated in atrocities, and their defense was that they were just following orders. The husband is an NPC that does not want to think for himself, and would have been one of those people "just following orders".
For the vast majority of orders, this sort of evaluation does not apply... they are straightforward, with no potential for interpretation. However, mandating that people take an experimental injection is called medical coercion, is against the Nuremberg code, and is considered to be a crime against humanity. This also came from WW2 and the Nazi medical experiments on prisoners, etc.
The injection mandate falls firmly into the category of an unlawful order. If a situation like this had come up when I was in the service, I would have refused in a heartbeat.
Well said.