THIS IS NOT THE WAY. I'm very disappointed to see this is the final trump card. Ron Paul showed the way when he said I kind of like a flat tax, but I mean real flat, like zero.
ALL AWAKENED SHOULD BE ABLE TO object to the income tax without replacing it with something much worse and more intrusive. Annual self-reporting versus smart-meters taxing us every second? Don't buy the bait and switch!
If this stands then it's parallel society time for real.
consumption tax is really another word for a federal sales tax on all new nonessential goods... like iphones and TVs. essentials like food, clothing, and medicine would not fall under this. passing it would create massive new demand for used goods as they wouldnt fall under the tax either.
It would actually be a GOOD thing. This idea is the basis of NESARA.
NESARA is a wax nose, whatever people want it to be. If NESARA is about consumption tax, then I don't want NESARA any more, as it never was that for me before today.
The founders gave us taxes, duties, imposts, and excises. The "taxes" category intended include property tax and poll tax (capitation). We did just fine funding the government this way for over a hundred years. Plans for returning the government to this standard have been drawn up in detail, fully balanced in their accounting, and then found unsuitable for the elites.
It's clear now what the big guys want and how they wish to end-run us Constitutionists. We must now seek new guards for our safety.
what you are calling for would require a 90%+ cut to all government spending. While im sure both of us agree the government needs a massive cut, cutting that much overnight is out of the question. I like this idea because we get to keep our entire paychecks and decide for ourselves how much tax we pay based on how much useless crap we buy.
NESARA is much more than just a tax reform BTW... but this bill seems to take its ideas from that.
what you are calling for would require a 90%+ cut to all government spending.
Indeed. In 1981 we cut the primary tax rate dramatically due to Laffer, and it worked fine. In other years we balanced our budget, and in early years we sometimes even repaid our deficit. A government whose trillions in debt can't be tracked because they change from day to day has no business telling us not to cut it even 110%, yes literally. Just like in 1981, those government employees we lay off will become an asset in the private sector and contribute to the economic stability by living out the job of private citizens instead of leeches.
The "Abolish the IRS" movement considers nothing out of the question. Only the feds consider revenue neutrality because of Cogcom 2 fears.
The current method of keeping paychecks is to structure your affairs so as not to earn government-eyed gains. The UNFairTax method is to structure so as not to purchase things on an ever-changing list, which of course we could dismiss as just as "useless" as the gains. But the Constitution and freedom is about forcing the government to exist on subsistence instead of it using its delegated powers of force against its sovereign masters who by definition always have greater force.
I know NESARA is much more than FairTax. But NESARA should never have been about FairTax at all. Therefore citing NESARA is to cite unprovable pie in the sky to get something very evil done right now.
What's most troubling is that neither McCarthy nor Gaetz came out and announced that this was part of the deal, nor did I see it in the rules package, but they agreed on it privately and the rightist media is all over it. Buddy Carter introduced the same bill two years ago and it was nothing and went nowhere, but the buzz about this one is different. I get the same feeling I get when Obama's Wikipedia page was promoted in 2007. I'm so glad my life is not wrapped up in what these idiots do.
This bill DOES NOT eliminate the income tax. All it does is shift the income tax to a sales tax. That STILL TAXES OUR INCOME.
Where do we get the money we spend for food and transportation? Isn't that income? Isn't that what they are going to tax to CONTINUE funding BIG GOVERNMENT?
The Constitution protects the sovereign citizens from taxation in two ways: direct taxes must be apportioned (i.e. directed to the states rather than the citizens), and the other classes of taxes must be uniform (i.e. levied against actions, which are usually avoidable). The income tax has been ruled avoidable because you can avoid income up to a point; yes, that's the short version. If we went to consumption tax, you're right it would amount to the same even if they change the category, because they would say consumption is avoidable. Paging ConsumeProduct.
Well it’s certainly better than having an agency that is weaponized against certain people and political groups, or is allowed to run amok terrorizing its citizens and shaking them down like the mafia. You won’t have people committing suicide because some IRS agent has a hard-on for them and his making their life a living hell over a few thousand dollars owed. My accountant told me one of his clients committed suicide because of an IRS agent who wouldn’t leave him alone. The family ended up suing the gov and winning millions. I’d rather pay a 23% tax on consumption and not have these bastards running around and dealing with the convoluted tax codes and bullshit of filing taxes every year.
and replace it with a national consumption tax
THIS IS NOT THE WAY. I'm very disappointed to see this is the final trump card. Ron Paul showed the way when he said I kind of like a flat tax, but I mean real flat, like zero.
ALL AWAKENED SHOULD BE ABLE TO object to the income tax without replacing it with something much worse and more intrusive. Annual self-reporting versus smart-meters taxing us every second? Don't buy the bait and switch!
If this stands then it's parallel society time for real.
consumption tax is really another word for a federal sales tax on all new nonessential goods... like iphones and TVs. essentials like food, clothing, and medicine would not fall under this. passing it would create massive new demand for used goods as they wouldnt fall under the tax either.
It would actually be a GOOD thing. This idea is the basis of NESARA.
NESARA is a wax nose, whatever people want it to be. If NESARA is about consumption tax, then I don't want NESARA any more, as it never was that for me before today.
The founders gave us taxes, duties, imposts, and excises. The "taxes" category intended include property tax and poll tax (capitation). We did just fine funding the government this way for over a hundred years. Plans for returning the government to this standard have been drawn up in detail, fully balanced in their accounting, and then found unsuitable for the elites.
It's clear now what the big guys want and how they wish to end-run us Constitutionists. We must now seek new guards for our safety.
what you are calling for would require a 90%+ cut to all government spending. While im sure both of us agree the government needs a massive cut, cutting that much overnight is out of the question. I like this idea because we get to keep our entire paychecks and decide for ourselves how much tax we pay based on how much useless crap we buy.
NESARA is much more than just a tax reform BTW... but this bill seems to take its ideas from that.
Indeed. In 1981 we cut the primary tax rate dramatically due to Laffer, and it worked fine. In other years we balanced our budget, and in early years we sometimes even repaid our deficit. A government whose trillions in debt can't be tracked because they change from day to day has no business telling us not to cut it even 110%, yes literally. Just like in 1981, those government employees we lay off will become an asset in the private sector and contribute to the economic stability by living out the job of private citizens instead of leeches.
The "Abolish the IRS" movement considers nothing out of the question. Only the feds consider revenue neutrality because of Cogcom 2 fears.
The current method of keeping paychecks is to structure your affairs so as not to earn government-eyed gains. The UNFairTax method is to structure so as not to purchase things on an ever-changing list, which of course we could dismiss as just as "useless" as the gains. But the Constitution and freedom is about forcing the government to exist on subsistence instead of it using its delegated powers of force against its sovereign masters who by definition always have greater force.
I know NESARA is much more than FairTax. But NESARA should never have been about FairTax at all. Therefore citing NESARA is to cite unprovable pie in the sky to get something very evil done right now.
What's most troubling is that neither McCarthy nor Gaetz came out and announced that this was part of the deal, nor did I see it in the rules package, but they agreed on it privately and the rightist media is all over it. Buddy Carter introduced the same bill two years ago and it was nothing and went nowhere, but the buzz about this one is different. I get the same feeling I get when Obama's Wikipedia page was promoted in 2007. I'm so glad my life is not wrapped up in what these idiots do.
Yeah.
This bill DOES NOT eliminate the income tax. All it does is shift the income tax to a sales tax. That STILL TAXES OUR INCOME.
Where do we get the money we spend for food and transportation? Isn't that income? Isn't that what they are going to tax to CONTINUE funding BIG GOVERNMENT?
This bill is more globalist lies.
The Constitution protects the sovereign citizens from taxation in two ways: direct taxes must be apportioned (i.e. directed to the states rather than the citizens), and the other classes of taxes must be uniform (i.e. levied against actions, which are usually avoidable). The income tax has been ruled avoidable because you can avoid income up to a point; yes, that's the short version. If we went to consumption tax, you're right it would amount to the same even if they change the category, because they would say consumption is avoidable. Paging ConsumeProduct.
Well it’s certainly better than having an agency that is weaponized against certain people and political groups, or is allowed to run amok terrorizing its citizens and shaking them down like the mafia. You won’t have people committing suicide because some IRS agent has a hard-on for them and his making their life a living hell over a few thousand dollars owed. My accountant told me one of his clients committed suicide because of an IRS agent who wouldn’t leave him alone. The family ended up suing the gov and winning millions. I’d rather pay a 23% tax on consumption and not have these bastards running around and dealing with the convoluted tax codes and bullshit of filing taxes every year.