You dont force people to use it because 'one day' it'll be a contender.
You are conflating two completely different issues. Problems with forcing someone to use a certain tech says absolutely nothing about whether or not the technology is good or bad, or what the specific problems are with it.
Thats not a hybrid. Its a diesel powered vehicle with electric motors instead of a traditional drive train.
I stated explicitly "fewer batteries." That's a hybrid. I stated explicitly "the best of both worlds." Ignoring what I said to push an agenda is exactly what you are accusing others of doing.
Hand waving. State them.
I suggest "hand waving" is the pot calling the kettle black, but OK.
Pollution is a huge problem. Catalytic converter disposal is a huge problem (really just a subsection of pollution, but whatever). Have you ever been to a junkyard? The waste is incredible. Oil from cars gets into the water system. The production of gasoline is incredibly polluting. I could do this all day. Just because the CO2 narrative is (mostly) bullshit, doesn't make the pollution issues go away.
These are problems we haven't solved in 100 years of battery technology.
These are problems we have solved. There are many different types of batteries that don't really have any pollution issues at all and/or are infinitely recyclable. Li-ion, with their super high energy density are not among those battery types, so for EVs we haven't solved the problem (at least not in the public sphere). There is however all sorts of tech that has solved these problems that could be applied to EVs, it just isn't allowed to be produced. When you read about "the next best thing" (solutions to the problems) there is always the caveat of "economies of scale" issues. However, once you appreciate there is only one corporation in the world, and that corporate monopoly doesn't want these problems to be solved, which keeps them purely in academia, you can appreciate why the "problems haven't been solved in 100 years." (really only 30 years, since Li-ion hasn't been around that long). That single corporation gives these solutions the "economies of scale" issues because they are the economy at every scale.
Yes, it really is a massive conspiracy. Read that link.
All of your hand waving about PTB ignore the actual issues with battery driven EVs.
Read the link in the previous paragraph. It is completely obvious. No "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it.
why should we adopt a crippled technology and suffer it's use just to make the PTB happy?
We shouldn't. NEVER ONCE DID I SUGGEST WE SHOULD. This is me calling foul on your statements. I am not saying "lets all drive EVs." I didn't imply it, I think that would be terrible. I think you are not being honest with your criticisms, and blowing everything far out of proportion with what is suggested by the actual evidence, and are mostly just repeating the rhetoric that critics use to create "opposition" beliefs.
"You are conflating two completely different issues. "
No, Im not. People like you think EVs solve problems and ignore the very real problems they have to do so.
"Pollution is a huge problem. Catalytic converter disposal is a huge problem (really just a subsection of pollution, but whatever)."
Ah, goody. An op ed with weasel words. Im totally convinced. The math on this never works out, but dont let that stop you.
"Have you ever been to a junkyard? The waste is incredible."
What waste? The reusing of old parts or the slagging down of parts people dont reuse to make more stuff? You'll notice, if you go to junkyards, that they dont have things there from the 70s, they have 10-15 model years of vehicles. Too old and its straight to the chipper to get steels and plastics return to the manufacturing chain.
"Oil from cars gets into the water system." Oil gets into the water table, mainly from prpduction incidents and industrial accidents. Even if you go pour oil doen a storm drain. Most treatment facilities separate and remove them.
"The production of gasoline is incredibly polluting."
The production of batteries is moreso.
"Just because the CO2 narrative is (mostly) bullshit, doesn't make the pollution issues go away."
CO2 being a pollutant is complete bullshit.
"These are problems we have solved."
So, show me the battery chemistry that is solves the problems of recycling and degrading.
You clutch at the PTB and say shit like "We are totally there, we just need the info these fucks keep from us!!!!" but fail to realize that, if they wanted control and could produce this they would have release this tech to make EVs useful. Their pinnacle of control would be everyone having EVs.
"I think you are not being honest with your criticisms, and blowing everything far out of proportion with what is suggested by the actual evidence, and are mostly just repeating the rhetoric that critics use to create "opposition" beliefs."
My criticisms are honest. I know EV tech thoroughly and have used it on many occassions, even working for a place that took government money to try to convert to them. Everything you complain about is specifically tailored to ignore the problems about EVs and exaggerate the problrms with ICEs.
"That's a hybrid."
A hybrid uses two power plants. In most cases, a battery and an engine. Otherwise, every car in existence is already a hybrid because they have car batteries. You computer would also be a hybrid because you power it with coal plants and it has a cmos battery in it.
You are conflating two completely different issues. Problems with forcing someone to use a certain tech says absolutely nothing about whether or not the technology is good or bad, or what the specific problems are with it.
I stated explicitly "fewer batteries." That's a hybrid. I stated explicitly "the best of both worlds." Ignoring what I said to push an agenda is exactly what you are accusing others of doing.
I suggest "hand waving" is the pot calling the kettle black, but OK.
Pollution is a huge problem. Catalytic converter disposal is a huge problem (really just a subsection of pollution, but whatever). Have you ever been to a junkyard? The waste is incredible. Oil from cars gets into the water system. The production of gasoline is incredibly polluting. I could do this all day. Just because the CO2 narrative is (mostly) bullshit, doesn't make the pollution issues go away.
These are problems we have solved. There are many different types of batteries that don't really have any pollution issues at all and/or are infinitely recyclable. Li-ion, with their super high energy density are not among those battery types, so for EVs we haven't solved the problem (at least not in the public sphere). There is however all sorts of tech that has solved these problems that could be applied to EVs, it just isn't allowed to be produced. When you read about "the next best thing" (solutions to the problems) there is always the caveat of "economies of scale" issues. However, once you appreciate there is only one corporation in the world, and that corporate monopoly doesn't want these problems to be solved, which keeps them purely in academia, you can appreciate why the "problems haven't been solved in 100 years." (really only 30 years, since Li-ion hasn't been around that long). That single corporation gives these solutions the "economies of scale" issues because they are the economy at every scale.
Yes, it really is a massive conspiracy. Read that link.
Read the link in the previous paragraph. It is completely obvious. No "ifs," "ands," or "buts" about it.
We shouldn't. NEVER ONCE DID I SUGGEST WE SHOULD. This is me calling foul on your statements. I am not saying "lets all drive EVs." I didn't imply it, I think that would be terrible. I think you are not being honest with your criticisms, and blowing everything far out of proportion with what is suggested by the actual evidence, and are mostly just repeating the rhetoric that critics use to create "opposition" beliefs.
"You are conflating two completely different issues. " No, Im not. People like you think EVs solve problems and ignore the very real problems they have to do so.
"Pollution is a huge problem. Catalytic converter disposal is a huge problem (really just a subsection of pollution, but whatever)." Ah, goody. An op ed with weasel words. Im totally convinced. The math on this never works out, but dont let that stop you.
"Have you ever been to a junkyard? The waste is incredible." What waste? The reusing of old parts or the slagging down of parts people dont reuse to make more stuff? You'll notice, if you go to junkyards, that they dont have things there from the 70s, they have 10-15 model years of vehicles. Too old and its straight to the chipper to get steels and plastics return to the manufacturing chain.
"Oil from cars gets into the water system." Oil gets into the water table, mainly from prpduction incidents and industrial accidents. Even if you go pour oil doen a storm drain. Most treatment facilities separate and remove them.
"The production of gasoline is incredibly polluting." The production of batteries is moreso.
"Just because the CO2 narrative is (mostly) bullshit, doesn't make the pollution issues go away." CO2 being a pollutant is complete bullshit.
"These are problems we have solved." So, show me the battery chemistry that is solves the problems of recycling and degrading.
You clutch at the PTB and say shit like "We are totally there, we just need the info these fucks keep from us!!!!" but fail to realize that, if they wanted control and could produce this they would have release this tech to make EVs useful. Their pinnacle of control would be everyone having EVs.
"I think you are not being honest with your criticisms, and blowing everything far out of proportion with what is suggested by the actual evidence, and are mostly just repeating the rhetoric that critics use to create "opposition" beliefs." My criticisms are honest. I know EV tech thoroughly and have used it on many occassions, even working for a place that took government money to try to convert to them. Everything you complain about is specifically tailored to ignore the problems about EVs and exaggerate the problrms with ICEs.
"That's a hybrid." A hybrid uses two power plants. In most cases, a battery and an engine. Otherwise, every car in existence is already a hybrid because they have car batteries. You computer would also be a hybrid because you power it with coal plants and it has a cmos battery in it.