LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? — Psalm 15:1
One time, I was sitting in an office with several members of my team, and we were reviewing resumes. Quite a few people had applied for a job with our company, and we were tasked with finding the best candidate. At that time, the job market was a lot more difficult than it is today. People were aggressive in their search for jobs as jobs were scarce.
On one side, we set out the job description. While we knew what the job entailed, we were not able to recite from memory the qualifications of the job. They were required to be a licensed healthcare worker in this position. That required specific training, including a college degree. Another qualification listed was a specific length of experience. We were able to take the many resumes and compare them to the qualifications.
As we dug through the pile of papers, we found that no one was qualified for the role we were hiring for based on the qualifications. The requirements of the job as listed were extremely high. No one held the required training, education, and experience.
In this Psalm, David asks a question that should cause us all to reflect and encourage us. at the end of this verse, he asks, who shall dwell in thy holy hill? The question is essentially who is qualified to dwell with God in His holy place? If we look over the qualifications, we will all quickly see that none of us are qualified!
Nothing of ourselves qualifies us for Heaven. Thankfully, the story does not end there. While we may not be qualified of ourselves, we are qualified through the blood of Jesus Christ! God is not looking for money, training, licensure, or anything else. He is simply looking for the blood of Jesus.
Don’t get discouraged when you look at yourself and see sin, fault, and failure. Those are all things of this world. God is looking at your heart. He’s looking to see if the blood of Jesus has been applied. If it has, He says you are worthy and more than qualified!
Jared Dyson
Another Well Ministries
lol. There are so many presumptions and interpretations that you are bringing along here. I get it. I've been exposed to that all my life. But really, its the worst possible interpretation, one that almost always is grounded in a reaction to the mistakes, misdeeds and failures of others.
E.g. the person who observes their local priest doings something really bad, who then rejects everything that the priest represents to them.
The gaslighting that your tuning in to is I think of your own creation. Or of someone else's that you've chosen to adopt.
You might try to think about things from a completely different angle, as an exercise. For example, what if....? But if you're negatively attached to the perspective you've adopted, that can be hard.
A few points that might be worth considering;
Christian teaching is heavily reliant on metaphor and parable. What does it mean to put "the blood of Jesus on my heart". Obviously, it's not literal. So then, what does it actually mean? What's the metaphor attempting to communicate?
Spiritual reality is the foundation and basis for the material reality. Physically, our biological system (aka body) is reproduced, lives and dies according to certain principles. Why should the spirit be any different? What if it isn't?
E.g. Genetics. We inherit and carry forward a certain foundation from our lineage, that is, our parentage and their parentage, etc. Epigenetics shows that even mental/emotional/ (spiritual?) content can and is carried down the line. Trauma, for example. When born, we start with what we are given via our lineage. Spiritually, its the same. And if some deep, penetrating flaw was somehow embedded in our entire race (human) early on in our history because of a critical mistake and failure, then that would be carried forward.
E.g. gravity. If you stand on a very tall cliff and simply step off, you'll crash to the ground and be injured or killed. It's got nothing to do with punishment, or whether you like it or not. The action has a consequence. And, to the extent that the action is a result of what you choose to do, YOU are responsible for the result. Not God or anyone else.
Likewise, choices in the spiritual sphere have consequences.
We come from a past in which our ancestors were - for whatever reason - some would say it was a result of the 'fall' of "Adam and Eve" - they have been extremely ignorant and limited in sophistication of thought. Primitive is the word I'm thinking of. So, as they tuned in to and gradually uncovered spiritual principles - just like they tuned in to and uncovered physical principles (laws of nature, etc) - they developed often unsophisticated ways of interpreting and explaining them.
If God is/was communicating to them in order to help them develop their understanding and move forward - just like science has, for example - then it's got to be a progressive movement.
Some people of faith are still in a mindset that was perhaps contemporary 2500 years ago. Others are not.
If evil exists, it's purpose is certainly to get us to make the worst possible interpretation and use the mistakes, failures and short-comings of others as a rationale and justification for the negative views it wants us to adopt. An old game, as old as the hills. And, those who fall for it are just being played.
"my old man was a bastard; he beat my mum. He beat us kids." >>>> "people in our society are basically bad."
"My mother always told me she'd suffer if I didn't do what she wanted" >>>>>> "people just use guilt feelings to manipulate us, and that especially goes for religion"
Cause and effect. Evil is always striving to push us towards the interpretations of events and things and people that poison our hearts and make us less than we could be.
I'm not a big fan of people of faith who over emphasize the "believe or you are screwed for eternity" approach and idea. I think it completely circumvents a much more important reality. It's a very immature approach, imo. I.e.
"Never play with fire, because fire will burn you." sure, we teach that to our little kids, but at some point, it's useless information, and will actually retard development if a guy who is 22 and who lives in the countryside is actually scared of fire and can never use fire to cook, or remove scrub, or whatever, because he's been trained to fear it.
Punishment, guilt, fear - these were necessary in the past when, from a spiritual viewpoint, we were little kids who couldn't grasp much beyond that. That's why the Old testament is the way it is.
To quote Paul: "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known...."
Even Paul recognized that his understanding was limited and restricted, and he intuited or saw in the future some point when he (and the "we) he spoke of, aka his peers, would move beyond what he understood at that time.
Personally, I can relate to what you are saying. You've got a mind that thinks critically, and uses reason. However, I'd like to suggest that there are other factors (i.e. experiences and emotions, etc) shaping WHAT you are looking at and WHAT you are focusing on, and how you are interpreting it.
Be skeptical, but also do an honest think about what feelings you're experiencing and where they might be coming from. And ask, what if I didn't have those feelings? Is there another possible interpretation?
Nothing it lost by such musings. At worst, you'll come away with a slightly expanded view. But you might also find something you never expected to. If a viewpoint being expressed just grates with you ("Accept Jesus or you are going to hell for eternity"), then ask WHY it grates with you, and also ask if perhaps that viewpoint is limited and immature, even if it's connected to a fundamental truth.
Like fire. Fire can hurt and fire can kill. But fire can also save lives, and sustain lives.
Either way, best of luck. (Personal note; When I was a teenager, I rejected Christianity and religion in general, because of all the flaws I saw or felt in the approaches to faith, etc, that others around me adopted. It was only later that I understood, oh, ok, these people are imperfect, and perhaps they are not really as mature as I thought they were as a kid. I became able to accept them and appreciate them, not because they were sophisticated in their approach, but because beyond thought and understanding, human beings have hearts. I found a sense of compassion once I realized that the Christian ideas and concepts being promoted around me were not bad, they were just a limited and immature attempt.
Today, our minds have developed to the level where old and simplistic explanations don't really cut the mustard. So it's natural to reject them in many cases. But if there is any truth underneath them, at their core, then a more sophisticated grasp is required. That's where humanity is today. The faith conceptualizations (aka interpretations) that sustained and developed our civilization for the past 2000 years have become outdated, outmoded.
When the scripture says "the sun will lose its light, the stars will fall, etc" it's a metaphor for the time when old expressions of the truth will not longer suffice. New wine incoming, so we need new wineskins. Doesn't mean the old wineskins were useless. It means, we moved forward enough that we need to go to the next level. In that sense, personally speaking, I appreciate the angle you are coming from. In some ways, I think it's correct. But I also think it's mistaken in some ways as well. The question is, how?
best of luck.
I actually read your entire response.
I will say this. I don't need an old book to talk to God, and neither do you. And there's a lot of lies in old books. Anybody who tries to scare you into joining their religion is operating from lies. I think most Christians are good people who were lied to about the nature of God and reality. Many preachers are snakes.
My intention is to point out the contradictions from the lies to induce an immune response to the lies.