So in light of UFOs being demonstrated well enough to exist for me to accept they are real and they fly, I've become interested in figuring out how to get the energy needed to do what they do.
Doing this has led me down the rabbit hole of reading old patents and old theory to see if there is a branch of science that got neglected for some reason or another.
In the investigation, it leads me to electrostatic machines.
Now these are interesting.
They are typically made using 1 nF Leyden jars and they can make megavolts of electricity with the right set up.
Regardless, I'm watching this YouTuber turn his machine by hand and it starts throwing 6 inch sparks every 2 seconds.
I ran the numbers and that's 457 kilovolts to jump that far. At 1 nF that works out to 200 watt-seconds per spark.
So an average of 100 watts per second as an average.
He's spinning it with his hand, when he stops, it takes a good 15 seconds for friction to stop the wheels. I have serious doubts that something that could be spin with one extended finger uses 100 watts to run.
The motion of the wheels are really only being affected by friction. In span the same way in an early part of the assembly video when none of the electrical components were attached.
This is an electron pump in the same way as an air conditioner has a heat pump.
I think high voltage electrostatics is the key to efficiently separating charge so that you can do other work. There's basically almost nothing for me to research about these things. They aren't even conspiracy level, they're just assumed useless outside of being a demo of high voltage and abandonned as a technology.
The only place I can see where they use it is in high voltage experiments, everything always comes with the discalmer that the watts made by these machines are uselss because it's high voltage and low amperage, like step down transformers and power conditioners don't exist.
They are also super, rediculously dangerous with big capacitors and can kill you in an instant by striking you with lighting from a distance of inches!
Edit:
- Edited because I wrote uF instead of nF.
- Added link to video series on how to make this particlular type of electrostatic machine from beggining to end including a working demo. (I assume he makes them as demo units for universities) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMQJk8HZZg&t=2899s
- A comparison of how hard it is to make 700 watts of power through electromagnetics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ
- Calculations by me can be found in the comments bellow
I can grant you all of that, but even tripling the breakdown voltage to 30kV/cm, and allowing double the energy flow out of the air gap capacitor, it still only increases total power used by 2 * 3^2. Which increases the power per spark from 8uJ to 144 uJ. It is still such a tiny amount that it really makes no difference. The whole system with sparks at 10 Hz is still on the order of a milliwatt.
Sadly it's just very hard to be accurate without a realistic model of the E field between those 2 balls. That is what you need to spend your time investigating, because that is your load in this context. The E field completely controls the power utilized. Without an accurate model of that, all calculations are just guesswork. The jars and other features of the circuit are just a fancy way of making a battery.
But good luck on your project. One way or the other I'm sure it will be educational.
Continued from previous response, redo your spark calculation but using a realistic conservative value for those Layden jars. Those are a part of the system. Layden jars can be tens of nF, be conservative and say those are 1 nF.
You can't pretend they don't exist.
With the Layden jars attached, his machine sparks at 0.5 Hz.
The sparks are 6 inches long.
Air's breakdown voltage is 30 kv/cm.
Bonetti machines prove the capacitors get fully drained because that's how they produce AC.
There you go.
You have everything you need.
Those caps are fully charged, they are 1 nF capacitors, how much energy is in one?
yeah, I figured that worst come to, I'll have a high voltage supply for doing plasma experiments
I don't get where you're getting a "doubling" from though.
Also it's not fair that I'm talking about a real capacitor with real, known values, a Layden jar, and you're talking about a tiny, weak plate capacitor.
These machines get used with 1 nF capacitors, not femtofarad plate capacitors.
You're essentially saying that the capacitors that I watched him make don't exist or aren't hooked up to the system. But he shows what that looks like too. When he disconnects the capacitors they spark more frequently a and they are barely visible on video.
Watch the videos, that's not a tiny little plate capacitor, that's a proper Layden jar. Pint (the measurement) sized Layden jars are rated at 1 nF.
But Layden jars can be in the tens of nanoFarads.
I'm not talking about a hypothetical machine it a real machine with real Layden jars.
Aren’t your forgetting to add time value to the energy?
The instant the spark happens may seem like a lot of power for that instance but things require constant power to operate, I’m not sure how much power you could actually store using this method? How long would it take to charge a battery ?
That's why you condition the power. A 1 nF capacitor will hold 0.00045 amp seconds at 450 KV.
True, the average voltage is 1/2 the peak voltage and but that's still 225 KV
0.00045 amp seconds X 225 KV = 101.5 watts.
His machine uses Layden jars, which holds ~1 nF at a capacitor size of 500 milliliters, he starts with smaller ones and shows a smaller spark, then switches to larger ones and shows a bigger spark.
When the wheels are at speed, a spark discharged every 2 seconds.
I'm not going to let it make a spark and waste power turning the air white hot, producing x-rays, beta radiation and/or synchrotron radiation.
I'm going to get some vacuum tubes and switch the power on and off at a high frequency and pull in a maintainable level of current, but supplied at hundreds of kilovolts.
Then I can alternate that through a step down transformer at whatever frequency of polarity I want with a switching circuit set to 60 Hz.
Where are you getting a full second of spark from?
The spark is likely much less than one second