I have been very skeptical ever since this came out because something just didn't seem right. Can't put my finger on it, it just doesn't seem organic to me.
This looks like standard operating procedure for this guy. I cannot find the filings in this case because it is so old. But have a look at this:
Case Number: LC081939
JOHN HARRIS THALER VS MELINDA ANN THALER
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East
Filing Date: 07/03/2008
Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Dismissed-Lack of Prosecution 11/19/2008
In this case, he also included Does 1 to 10...presumably randos he could not or would not identify. Presumably Melinda Ann Thaler is an ex wife.
Case Number: LC070214
JOHN THALER, ET AL VS STUART GLAZER, ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East
Filing Date: 01/03/2005
Case Type: Breach Contract/Warnty-Negligence (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Dismissed-Other 09/28/2005
In this case, he also sued Does 1-25. This looks like a home inspector lawsuit.
Case Number: LC086948
JOHN HARRIS THALER VS JOSEPH KENAN M.D ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East
Filing Date: 09/18/2009
Case Type: Contractual Fraud (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 03/19/2010
Contractual Fraud?? Was this some kind of medical malpractice? Also contains Does 1-10...beginning to see a pattern here...
Case Number: BC519329
JOHN H THALER VS DYAN REILLY ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Stanley Mosk Courthouse
Filing Date: 08/23/2013
Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 02/25/2014
This has Does 1-50... and it also looks like he is suing a Jewish Temple/Synagogue... wtf is up with this dude??
Case Number: LC104303
JOHN THALER VS. TARZANA FALLS HOA, ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East
Filing Date: 06/13/2016
Case Type: Other Writ /Judicial Review (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Judgment on the Pleading 09/18/2020
Also Does 1-50 in this case...its a cluster fuck of omfg entries that I can't parse through remotely efficiently.
Case Number: 21VECV00280
JOHN H THALER VS BRITTANY RAE CHAVEZ
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East
Filing Date: 03/03/2021
Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 12/02/2021
More fraud lawsuits. It does say dismissed for lack of in personam jurisdiction. But state court can't transfer you to another state court. Doesn't work that way. It appears he also simultaneously filed John H. Thaler v. Brittany Rae Thaler et al, Docket No. 2:21-cv-02892 (C.D. Cal. Apr 02, 2021) in federal court a month after filing in California state court. Something sure as hell ain't right about that. The only difference I can see without being able to pull any filings is that a shitload more defendants including City of Phoenix/Mesa, county of Maricopa, and Town of Gilbert and 150 Does...
Thaler v. Chavez et al, Docket No. 2:22-cv-00749 (D. Ariz. May 03, 2022), Court Docket
Looks like the identical shit to the prior case...150 Does, Arizona cities/counties/towns etc. and this case is...fucking habeas corpus?? WTF?
I knew something was off. As someone with a sibling that suffers from the most extreme form of mental illness, I suspect that is what we have here. You should have heard the insane paranoid delusions my sibling had at their worst. And some of the claims were partially plausible. But they were all made up. Every last one of them. And given that this guy is an attorney, he knows better than to do a lot of shit like this. Most of these cases were dismissed for lack of prosecution...i.e. he sued, and likely got whatever he was seeking from the defendant and simply filed nothing more. The court then disposed of it.
Count me in as having got off the fence. I am now squarely in the "this guy is so unhinged and lacking in credibility, I cannot discern anything from his claims that might actually have a basis in reality." This is a LARP. And if it is a LARP, the dude needs his bar card revoked immediately. Plus he ought to be sanctioned for wasting everyone's time and subjecting people to vexatious litigation.
If these are are all involving his ex-wife in one way or another, you might not be quite grasping how utterly corrupt the divorce/custody racket is. Yes, it's that bad. After a cursory look, I see some of these cases are in CA. CA is a hellhole for custody justice. The following sums up the motive for this. Every State gets more than 3 dollars from the federal government for every dollar of child support extracted. I won't get into this, but the crooked racket runs very deep. Another thing, is women and children are wards of the State. When a father goes into such a court, he is fighting the State representing the mother and child. It's getting late, but I could provide a lot of material on this subject. The majority of what I see above are dismissals. This is all too common in custody related issues to see this, even if it slightly smells of a custody issue, it becomes the fruit of the poisonous tree. All the other attorney has to say is J. Thuler is an angry father that doesn't want to support his child. He is bucking the system, judge. This is why we are here today. The judge then has all that's needed to be heard.... the disgruntled father is already guilty of trying to harm a ward of the state, if the case in anyway involves the mother. It doesn't mean the evidence is false, it just means it's not recognized and the father has no standing because he is a disgruntled father who doesn't want to pay child support.
With this information above, I believe there's far more to what J. Thuler is presenting than this. This is why I stated all his research needs to be given to a vetted another party to pursue this. J. Thuler is not the one that can every litigate this.
No doubt family court is beyond fucked up. However, its more than one ex wife he’s done this with. As well as accusing a doctor of fraud with no contract - something that I wish I could get the pleadings on because I suspect it should have been malpractice but something made him plead fraud.
This guy has a habit of naming all of these John/Jane Doe people in his complaints. Like in the home inspector lawsuit, he has 25 people as John/Jane Doe. How the hell is that possible? That is a non sequitur.
No doubt courts generally are corrupt. But at this point, to believe what this guy is saying as truthful, you have to first accept he might be the unluckiest person alive to marry 3 people who have connections to faking documents and court orders. I’m not willing to buy that.
Another thing that makes no sense is that he says some lawsuit was filed related to the “fraudulent” CA judgment being enforced in AZ so as to prevent him from selling his house and buying another. He lists that he was to pay $38,400 as down payment and his now ex wife was to come up with something like $24,000. But somehow, a lawyer can’t come up with 38k outside of the equity in his house…Not gonna buy that when the average attorney salary with 10+ years experience is close to 300k. A successful attorney with that experience probably makes 2-3x as much. At the very least, its the kind of income that should have no problems getting you a line of credit to pull that out…or a bridge loan on the home equity.
If there is a lien on your house, you can collateralize it and remove the lien. It is then up to the lien holder to foreclose on the collateral you posted. Typically it is 115% of the lien amount. If they don’t foreclose, you get it back at the end of the statutory period.
I can see the dockets for 2 HOA related suits on a third party site, but they don’t exist on the official AZ site. That is rather odd. But I might not have the right format for the case numbers to work. However, using John Thaler as a name gives you a parking ticket case and unlawful flight from law enforcement. That is it. No HOA cases come up.
Look, I am not saying J. Thuler is right or wrong here. I believe (1) he should provide all his documents to a vetted and qualified team of experts. (2) Because J. Thuler's ex-wife and a child custody issue, in part, are integral to these documents, it has the appearance of a conflict of interest (sour grapes). (3) However, it is the authenticity of the documents that must be examined and completely separated from the divorce/custody issue.
In stating this, I believe some people are using this jumping-the-gun with the divorce/custody issue for discrediting J. Thuler. The cart is before the mule as a result. Regardless of his divorce history, this fact isn't germane for discrediting the overall research. The documents may indeed show illegal activities. As an analogy to this thinking: it would be justified to claim Johnny Carson wasn't a good talk show host because he was divorced three times.
Your polemic above is an observation from a distant vantage point. This applies to anyone not possessing the J. Thuler documents and completely verifying them. Notwithstanding, it seems you may not understand the financial gravity in custody issues and how this may relate to your missive. Custody and visitation disputes are among the most stressful situations facing families and the courts. This statement I just made is an understatement. There is little 'justice' in family courts. It's 'just us' in a star chamber with a magistrate or judge, who already knows to continue the money stream or face the consequence of career stunting or canceling. The divorce industry is a trillion dollar extortion racket. There are so many facets to this, that to be unfortunate enough to experience it, it is as if falling into an alternate world. It's shock-and-awe to divorcing fathers experiencing it. One facet of this is revealed by asking the facetious question: What do you get when you mix equal parts of gender myth, a casual disregard of Constitutional protections, and old fashioned political pork? VAWA – the Violence Against Women Act -- that’s what. VAWA permits women to have offices in the very court building where these custody tribunals are held. Advocates for the battered women’s shelter, who are often male hating militant lesbians, promote the filing of such domestic abuse complaints. Yes, I am not making this up. They are given charge of filling out ex-parte orders that are essentially restraining orders against the father. These centers, supported by public money, serve primarily to promote the expulsion of men from their homes without due process of law. This is the first step in taking children away from the father and granting of custody to the State approved guardian-ward; the mother. These centers also serve to promote abortion, divorce, and the prevention of reconciliation between husband and wife.
The affidavit forms have become entirely automated for women to file and be processed. All a female needs to claim is that she “fears for her safety.” An ensuing exparte order will be signed by a judge or administrative officer to remove the accused male from his home and prohibiting further contact with his wife and children. A “fear” crime is ambiguous and extremely difficult to be vindicated of. Evidence for physical abuse is not required and the only female rationale needed is being fearful of the male. It is estimated that sixty-six percent of all domestic abuse charges are false.1 Incarceration is quite common for the male. After his release, he is always expelled from his own home and ordered not to return. A magistrate will hear the case, but he will not be able to return to his house unless she allows him too. Not since prior to the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 AD, which guaranteed a sovereign citizen’s right not to be ordered from their home, have such police powers been carried out. Tens of thousands of innocent men have been thrown out of their homes and onto the streets, unsheltered, often on perjured affidavits. Nobody is ever prosecuted for these perjured affidavits, even where the proof is abundant.
Long lost acquaintances, and even friends having college degrees and very good jobs and careers, have described to me returning to their homes after work, to be surprised by a police officer waiting for them. Without knowing an ex parte restraining order was issued. For violating the order, they were arrested and thrown in jail and released in the next day.
Why am I mentioning this? It appears that J. Thuler has had similar experiences. We know that at least one court hearing that apparently took place without him being notified. By the way, this is also a common tactic used to take the children away from the parent. A subsequent warrant was issued for J. Thuler's arrest. I'm interpreting this as part of a much bigger journey J. Thuler experienced, and in doing so, stirred up a hornet's nest. I knew someone who previously did pretty much the same thing. He was well-known to the surrounding courts. He'd win cases pro se, but these were Pyrrhic victories. The police would wait for him and recharge him of the same violation that he won in court. Another night in jail and back in court, shackled hand and feet, in front of a judge pleading his case all over again. The war he waged against the system was much bigger than him and it killed him. He was a friend of mine, who had charisma and was stubborn beyond belief. He too was fighting to have access to his son. Now he's dead.
It appears there have been attempts on J. Thuler's life. If you think J. Thuler's research and documents are tainted because the justice system has attempted to criminalize and thereby discrediting him, this is all common tactics in lawfare.
And so, according to Your Expert Analysis, all of this is just one huge ball of ""Lets Pretend"", and Thaler needs to be put into a Nut House, Pumped full of Sedatives, and anti-psychotics, and just left there to rot....
According to court dockets, this guy has accused all 3 of his ex wives of fraud. He’s also sued others accusing them of fraud only to drop the case for lack of prosecution. One doesn’t need to be an “expert” to see what is going on here. Best case scenario is that this guy is the boy who cried wolf, and this time he is for real. I am not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not when what he’s claiming lacks the necessary evidentiary record behind it. With everything we’ve seen so far, the best you can get is a “maybe there is something here” but when this appears to be regular conduct by the guy, it doesn’t seem like any kind of stretch to conclude it’s probably at least vexatious litigation and might be the paranoid delusions of a mental illness.
Your substantive response was also a cool story, bro.
Honestly, I wouldn't be so sure, just look around at all the Insanity we have been seeing for about 7 or 8 Years, and each month it just gets more insane, I think this guy could possibly have a case....
But yeah, on the other side of the coin, he could turn out to be a total Nutcase....
I have been very skeptical ever since this came out because something just didn't seem right. Can't put my finger on it, it just doesn't seem organic to me.
This looks like standard operating procedure for this guy. I cannot find the filings in this case because it is so old. But have a look at this:
Case Number: LC081939 JOHN HARRIS THALER VS MELINDA ANN THALER
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East Filing Date: 07/03/2008 Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction) Status: Dismissed-Lack of Prosecution 11/19/2008
In this case, he also included Does 1 to 10...presumably randos he could not or would not identify. Presumably Melinda Ann Thaler is an ex wife.
Case Number: LC070214 JOHN THALER, ET AL VS STUART GLAZER, ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East Filing Date: 01/03/2005 Case Type: Breach Contract/Warnty-Negligence (General Jurisdiction) Status: Dismissed-Other 09/28/2005
In this case, he also sued Does 1-25. This looks like a home inspector lawsuit.
Case Number: LC086948 JOHN HARRIS THALER VS JOSEPH KENAN M.D ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East Filing Date: 09/18/2009 Case Type: Contractual Fraud (General Jurisdiction) Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 03/19/2010
Contractual Fraud?? Was this some kind of medical malpractice? Also contains Does 1-10...beginning to see a pattern here...
Case Number: BC519329 JOHN H THALER VS DYAN REILLY ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Stanley Mosk Courthouse Filing Date: 08/23/2013 Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction) Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 02/25/2014
This has Does 1-50... and it also looks like he is suing a Jewish Temple/Synagogue... wtf is up with this dude??
Case Number: LC104303 JOHN THALER VS. TARZANA FALLS HOA, ET AL
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East Filing Date: 06/13/2016 Case Type: Other Writ /Judicial Review (General Jurisdiction) Status: Judgment on the Pleading 09/18/2020
Also Does 1-50 in this case...its a cluster fuck of omfg entries that I can't parse through remotely efficiently.
Case Number: 21VECV00280 JOHN H THALER VS BRITTANY RAE CHAVEZ
Filing Courthouse: Van Nuys Courthouse East Filing Date: 03/03/2021 Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction) Status: Court-Ordered Dismissal - Other (Other) 12/02/2021
More fraud lawsuits. It does say dismissed for lack of in personam jurisdiction. But state court can't transfer you to another state court. Doesn't work that way. It appears he also simultaneously filed John H. Thaler v. Brittany Rae Thaler et al, Docket No. 2:21-cv-02892 (C.D. Cal. Apr 02, 2021) in federal court a month after filing in California state court. Something sure as hell ain't right about that. The only difference I can see without being able to pull any filings is that a shitload more defendants including City of Phoenix/Mesa, county of Maricopa, and Town of Gilbert and 150 Does...
Thaler v. Chavez et al, Docket No. 2:22-cv-00749 (D. Ariz. May 03, 2022), Court Docket
Looks like the identical shit to the prior case...150 Does, Arizona cities/counties/towns etc. and this case is...fucking habeas corpus?? WTF?
I knew something was off. As someone with a sibling that suffers from the most extreme form of mental illness, I suspect that is what we have here. You should have heard the insane paranoid delusions my sibling had at their worst. And some of the claims were partially plausible. But they were all made up. Every last one of them. And given that this guy is an attorney, he knows better than to do a lot of shit like this. Most of these cases were dismissed for lack of prosecution...i.e. he sued, and likely got whatever he was seeking from the defendant and simply filed nothing more. The court then disposed of it.
Count me in as having got off the fence. I am now squarely in the "this guy is so unhinged and lacking in credibility, I cannot discern anything from his claims that might actually have a basis in reality." This is a LARP. And if it is a LARP, the dude needs his bar card revoked immediately. Plus he ought to be sanctioned for wasting everyone's time and subjecting people to vexatious litigation.
If these are are all involving his ex-wife in one way or another, you might not be quite grasping how utterly corrupt the divorce/custody racket is. Yes, it's that bad. After a cursory look, I see some of these cases are in CA. CA is a hellhole for custody justice. The following sums up the motive for this. Every State gets more than 3 dollars from the federal government for every dollar of child support extracted. I won't get into this, but the crooked racket runs very deep. Another thing, is women and children are wards of the State. When a father goes into such a court, he is fighting the State representing the mother and child. It's getting late, but I could provide a lot of material on this subject. The majority of what I see above are dismissals. This is all too common in custody related issues to see this, even if it slightly smells of a custody issue, it becomes the fruit of the poisonous tree. All the other attorney has to say is J. Thuler is an angry father that doesn't want to support his child. He is bucking the system, judge. This is why we are here today. The judge then has all that's needed to be heard.... the disgruntled father is already guilty of trying to harm a ward of the state, if the case in anyway involves the mother. It doesn't mean the evidence is false, it just means it's not recognized and the father has no standing because he is a disgruntled father who doesn't want to pay child support.
With this information above, I believe there's far more to what J. Thuler is presenting than this. This is why I stated all his research needs to be given to a vetted another party to pursue this. J. Thuler is not the one that can every litigate this.
No doubt family court is beyond fucked up. However, its more than one ex wife he’s done this with. As well as accusing a doctor of fraud with no contract - something that I wish I could get the pleadings on because I suspect it should have been malpractice but something made him plead fraud.
This guy has a habit of naming all of these John/Jane Doe people in his complaints. Like in the home inspector lawsuit, he has 25 people as John/Jane Doe. How the hell is that possible? That is a non sequitur.
No doubt courts generally are corrupt. But at this point, to believe what this guy is saying as truthful, you have to first accept he might be the unluckiest person alive to marry 3 people who have connections to faking documents and court orders. I’m not willing to buy that.
Another thing that makes no sense is that he says some lawsuit was filed related to the “fraudulent” CA judgment being enforced in AZ so as to prevent him from selling his house and buying another. He lists that he was to pay $38,400 as down payment and his now ex wife was to come up with something like $24,000. But somehow, a lawyer can’t come up with 38k outside of the equity in his house…Not gonna buy that when the average attorney salary with 10+ years experience is close to 300k. A successful attorney with that experience probably makes 2-3x as much. At the very least, its the kind of income that should have no problems getting you a line of credit to pull that out…or a bridge loan on the home equity.
If there is a lien on your house, you can collateralize it and remove the lien. It is then up to the lien holder to foreclose on the collateral you posted. Typically it is 115% of the lien amount. If they don’t foreclose, you get it back at the end of the statutory period.
I can see the dockets for 2 HOA related suits on a third party site, but they don’t exist on the official AZ site. That is rather odd. But I might not have the right format for the case numbers to work. However, using John Thaler as a name gives you a parking ticket case and unlawful flight from law enforcement. That is it. No HOA cases come up.
Look, I am not saying J. Thuler is right or wrong here. I believe (1) he should provide all his documents to a vetted and qualified team of experts. (2) Because J. Thuler's ex-wife and a child custody issue, in part, are integral to these documents, it has the appearance of a conflict of interest (sour grapes). (3) However, it is the authenticity of the documents that must be examined and completely separated from the divorce/custody issue.
In stating this, I believe some people are using this jumping-the-gun with the divorce/custody issue for discrediting J. Thuler. The cart is before the mule as a result. Regardless of his divorce history, this fact isn't germane for discrediting the overall research. The documents may indeed show illegal activities. As an analogy to this thinking: it would be justified to claim Johnny Carson wasn't a good talk show host because he was divorced three times.
Your polemic above is an observation from a distant vantage point. This applies to anyone not possessing the J. Thuler documents and completely verifying them. Notwithstanding, it seems you may not understand the financial gravity in custody issues and how this may relate to your missive. Custody and visitation disputes are among the most stressful situations facing families and the courts. This statement I just made is an understatement. There is little 'justice' in family courts. It's 'just us' in a star chamber with a magistrate or judge, who already knows to continue the money stream or face the consequence of career stunting or canceling. The divorce industry is a trillion dollar extortion racket. There are so many facets to this, that to be unfortunate enough to experience it, it is as if falling into an alternate world. It's shock-and-awe to divorcing fathers experiencing it. One facet of this is revealed by asking the facetious question: What do you get when you mix equal parts of gender myth, a casual disregard of Constitutional protections, and old fashioned political pork? VAWA – the Violence Against Women Act -- that’s what. VAWA permits women to have offices in the very court building where these custody tribunals are held. Advocates for the battered women’s shelter, who are often male hating militant lesbians, promote the filing of such domestic abuse complaints. Yes, I am not making this up. They are given charge of filling out ex-parte orders that are essentially restraining orders against the father. These centers, supported by public money, serve primarily to promote the expulsion of men from their homes without due process of law. This is the first step in taking children away from the father and granting of custody to the State approved guardian-ward; the mother. These centers also serve to promote abortion, divorce, and the prevention of reconciliation between husband and wife.
The affidavit forms have become entirely automated for women to file and be processed. All a female needs to claim is that she “fears for her safety.” An ensuing exparte order will be signed by a judge or administrative officer to remove the accused male from his home and prohibiting further contact with his wife and children. A “fear” crime is ambiguous and extremely difficult to be vindicated of. Evidence for physical abuse is not required and the only female rationale needed is being fearful of the male. It is estimated that sixty-six percent of all domestic abuse charges are false.1 Incarceration is quite common for the male. After his release, he is always expelled from his own home and ordered not to return. A magistrate will hear the case, but he will not be able to return to his house unless she allows him too. Not since prior to the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 AD, which guaranteed a sovereign citizen’s right not to be ordered from their home, have such police powers been carried out. Tens of thousands of innocent men have been thrown out of their homes and onto the streets, unsheltered, often on perjured affidavits. Nobody is ever prosecuted for these perjured affidavits, even where the proof is abundant.
Long lost acquaintances, and even friends having college degrees and very good jobs and careers, have described to me returning to their homes after work, to be surprised by a police officer waiting for them. Without knowing an ex parte restraining order was issued. For violating the order, they were arrested and thrown in jail and released in the next day.
Why am I mentioning this? It appears that J. Thuler has had similar experiences. We know that at least one court hearing that apparently took place without him being notified. By the way, this is also a common tactic used to take the children away from the parent. A subsequent warrant was issued for J. Thuler's arrest. I'm interpreting this as part of a much bigger journey J. Thuler experienced, and in doing so, stirred up a hornet's nest. I knew someone who previously did pretty much the same thing. He was well-known to the surrounding courts. He'd win cases pro se, but these were Pyrrhic victories. The police would wait for him and recharge him of the same violation that he won in court. Another night in jail and back in court, shackled hand and feet, in front of a judge pleading his case all over again. The war he waged against the system was much bigger than him and it killed him. He was a friend of mine, who had charisma and was stubborn beyond belief. He too was fighting to have access to his son. Now he's dead.
It appears there have been attempts on J. Thuler's life. If you think J. Thuler's research and documents are tainted because the justice system has attempted to criminalize and thereby discrediting him, this is all common tactics in lawfare.
And so, according to Your Expert Analysis, all of this is just one huge ball of ""Lets Pretend"", and Thaler needs to be put into a Nut House, Pumped full of Sedatives, and anti-psychotics, and just left there to rot....
Cool Story Bro....
According to court dockets, this guy has accused all 3 of his ex wives of fraud. He’s also sued others accusing them of fraud only to drop the case for lack of prosecution. One doesn’t need to be an “expert” to see what is going on here. Best case scenario is that this guy is the boy who cried wolf, and this time he is for real. I am not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not when what he’s claiming lacks the necessary evidentiary record behind it. With everything we’ve seen so far, the best you can get is a “maybe there is something here” but when this appears to be regular conduct by the guy, it doesn’t seem like any kind of stretch to conclude it’s probably at least vexatious litigation and might be the paranoid delusions of a mental illness.
Your substantive response was also a cool story, bro.
Honestly, I wouldn't be so sure, just look around at all the Insanity we have been seeing for about 7 or 8 Years, and each month it just gets more insane, I think this guy could possibly have a case....
But yeah, on the other side of the coin, he could turn out to be a total Nutcase....