It’s not like they just throw away the car, it will be re-used.
This happens mostly in countries that are heavy subsidising EVs, like Norway and certain US states.
an example: a car that costs $50k to build, is sold for $40k after government grants.
The car is in an accident, and because spare parts are not subsidised, a new hood and front fender will run you around 20% of the cost of the car after grants, making it cheaper for the insurance company giving you a new car for $40k and keep the car (or resell it) for parts. The insurance company is getting $50k ish worth of parts for $40k(of course depending on damage and age), instead of spending $10k fixing the car.
All undamaged parts can still be used, and the battery pack can, if not completely fubar, either be refurbished and put into another car, or a property.
This is not an EV problem, it’s a subsidising problem.
I love my EVs, they’re cheap to run and extremely fast compared to cars in the same price range. I drove it from Sweden to Croatia (2000mi+), and I’ve never felt so relaxed driving long distances. Yes, it will take you about 5 hours longer driving 1000 miles, but both the family and the dog were much more well rested than when we drive the ICE.
I just don’t understand all the EV hate on this site? I understand that people wants to drive 500 miles on a tank, but why?
Either the Deep State wins, and enforces restrictions to travel, meaning you’re allowed to drive 0 miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles on a full charge.
Or the DS loses, and you can drive 500+ miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles in my car.
I don’t see the problem, or why people here are hating on EVs, especially “fake news” like this.
You don’t need charging stations everywhere.
95% of my (and average travels) are to or from the home, and a way to charge the average <10kWh a day is needed.
I refuse to believe that just because we’re transforming to EVs that we’ll suddenly start driving much more.
The only difficulty I see as an EV owner for many years, is the demand for fast charging during big holidays, like your Thanksgiving. Currently travelling through Europe is drama (and queue) free, except maybe 10 hours for 10 days a year. That demand needs to be met som way or another.
That can be solved by powering the fast chargers with some sort of liquified gas, like methane, hydrogen or nitrogen.
But, of course, if you’re going to transfer a bigger part of ICE to EVs, you’ll need more power chargers, but around 50 every 100 miles would do as a start.
And we’re getting there.
How do you think the development of gas station was the first years of transferring from horse to cars?
Try to step out of your biased box. I see the transfer from gas to electricity as a normal way of development, and has nothing to do with the DS/NWO.
Electricity is cheaper, more efficient and way more fun.
Greener? I highly doubt it, but that’s not why I’ve moved over to EVs some years ago.
Because EVs can be shut down with a button, say if your social credit score is too low. They don't actually "save the environment" either, so it's a lose lose.
Unless you're driving a vintage car from the 80's, your ICE car can be shut down too. And unless you have your own oil well AND petroleum refinery, your government can still cut off your access to gasoline.
The problem isn't the technology, it's governments that, instead of protecting their citizens, are actively working to undermine our freedoms, and people are just letting it happen because they're sheep.
So you’ll think they’ll still allow you to drive your ICE?
That this button you talk about isn’t already in place in modern ICE cars?
That they can’t restrict your movement if your credit score is too low, and you’re driving an ICE?
We have 2 possible outcomes of the war between the great awakening and the great reset; either we win or they do.
If we lose, your ICE is fucked, and my EV is heavily controlled. I can drive 250 miles on a full battery, you’ll never be able to fill your car after a few months.
If we win, neither is controlled, and nobody is restricted in movement.
I’m 100% certain that we win and electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
I'll give up my cars about the same time I give up my guns. And yes, my cars are all pre-1996 they have very simple electronics and can't be shut off by anyone. Nothing will every replace the rumble of a V8 and I'll run mine on straight ethanol made from my own corn with a little 2 stroke oil if I have to. The ICE engine is imho one of mankind's greatest inventions, and the one which most enables our freedom of movement. I would rather die with my Kar98 in my hands than drive an electric.
Electricity will never be as efficient as gasoline which is why they have to bribe idiots into buying electric cars with government (i.e. taxpayer) subsidies.
Please tell me what is so efficient about the energy required to mine and refine the elements used in the batteries or the power losses in transmission lines to get electricity to chargers.. how about the energy required to haul 1500 lbs of batteries around instead of 150 lbs of gasoline?
p.s. gasoline and diesel vehicles increase in efficiency at highway speeds... the opposite of battery powered cars so go ahead and tell me how you are going to travel 500 miles in 7 hours in battery powered car.
I was never able to drive 500 miles in 7 hours in my latest ICE either (Volvo V90 T5), I had to stop for toilet breaks.
I do a ~500mi trip every few months from my home in southern Sweden to my grandmother in middle Norway.
That trip takes about the same time now (+/- 20 minutes) in my Hyundai Ioniq 5 compared to my V90.
I did 3 stops in my Volvo, first one for food/toilet, second shopping (Swedish sweets for granny on the border shop)/toilet and a third stop for toilet and snacks. Usually this trip would take around 8 hours highway driving.
The only stop that takes longer now is the last one, depending how much driving I plan to do around my granny’s hometown. If it’s 0, the stop takes the same time.
To fill the Ioniq 5 with 200 highway miles takes less than 20 minutes during summer.
Efficiency wise, the energy in an ICE car is mostly transferred into kinetic energy. In addition to the forward momentum created, the energy in petroleum product is also converted to sound and heat energy(good in winter/bad in summer), these are unwanted energy conversion that I don’t have in my EV.
And that’s what I meant with more efficient.
There are thousands of reports out there about the total life cycle of ICE vs EVs, and depending on who paid for the report, the winner is either one.
One thing to bear in mind is that the average US car has a lifespan of 11 years. That’s not enough time to kill the batteries in a modern EV, so battery replacements are off the table.
Another tidbit of information is that it takes about 1kWh to refine 1 litre of gasoline. My car uses about 2,1kWh/10km doing 110km/h.
For me an EV is much cheaper than an ICE because of the energy prices here in the EU. I understand that the calculations in the US are different with really cheap gas compared to us, and higher electrical prices.
I also recognise the “green problem” with EVs, and I find it a bit egoistic to transfer the pollution (the car is usually driven in a first world country) to the mining countries (usually third world).
But as I’ve said multiple times on this forum, I don’t drive an EV because it’s green, I drive it because it’s great fun and a lot cheaper.
It also saves me a lot of time, taking my usually long trip above, and the worst case scenario of 20 minute longer, I will still save time on an EV over the year total.
I drove the V90 to fill it up every ~10 days, about 40 times a year á 5 minutes = 200 minutes of my life filling the car every year.
To refill my EV at home takes less than 5 seconds plugging and unplugging the cord.
And usually recharging on the road is already within the timeframe of my normal stops, maybe 20 minutes extra on. 500mi trip. I can do 10 trips like that every year to equal the time used at a petroleum station.
It’s not like they just throw away the car, it will be re-used.
This happens mostly in countries that are heavy subsidising EVs, like Norway and certain US states.
an example: a car that costs $50k to build, is sold for $40k after government grants.
The car is in an accident, and because spare parts are not subsidised, a new hood and front fender will run you around 20% of the cost of the car after grants, making it cheaper for the insurance company giving you a new car for $40k and keep the car (or resell it) for parts. The insurance company is getting $50k ish worth of parts for $40k(of course depending on damage and age), instead of spending $10k fixing the car.
All undamaged parts can still be used, and the battery pack can, if not completely fubar, either be refurbished and put into another car, or a property.
This is not an EV problem, it’s a subsidising problem.
I love my EVs, they’re cheap to run and extremely fast compared to cars in the same price range. I drove it from Sweden to Croatia (2000mi+), and I’ve never felt so relaxed driving long distances. Yes, it will take you about 5 hours longer driving 1000 miles, but both the family and the dog were much more well rested than when we drive the ICE.
I just don’t understand all the EV hate on this site? I understand that people wants to drive 500 miles on a tank, but why?
Either the Deep State wins, and enforces restrictions to travel, meaning you’re allowed to drive 0 miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles on a full charge.
Or the DS loses, and you can drive 500+ miles in your ICE, and I can drive 250 miles in my car.
I don’t see the problem, or why people here are hating on EVs, especially “fake news” like this.
Question for you: Charging stations? You must have charging stations everywhere? Well, we don't. You stuck, good luck.
You don’t need charging stations everywhere. 95% of my (and average travels) are to or from the home, and a way to charge the average <10kWh a day is needed.
I refuse to believe that just because we’re transforming to EVs that we’ll suddenly start driving much more.
The only difficulty I see as an EV owner for many years, is the demand for fast charging during big holidays, like your Thanksgiving. Currently travelling through Europe is drama (and queue) free, except maybe 10 hours for 10 days a year. That demand needs to be met som way or another.
That can be solved by powering the fast chargers with some sort of liquified gas, like methane, hydrogen or nitrogen.
But, of course, if you’re going to transfer a bigger part of ICE to EVs, you’ll need more power chargers, but around 50 every 100 miles would do as a start.
And we’re getting there.
How do you think the development of gas station was the first years of transferring from horse to cars?
Try to step out of your biased box. I see the transfer from gas to electricity as a normal way of development, and has nothing to do with the DS/NWO.
Electricity is cheaper, more efficient and way more fun.
Greener? I highly doubt it, but that’s not why I’ve moved over to EVs some years ago.
I understand what you are saying. Thank you, especially about transferring from horse to cars. I would like to see faster chargers because of time.
Because EVs can be shut down with a button, say if your social credit score is too low. They don't actually "save the environment" either, so it's a lose lose.
Unless you're driving a vintage car from the 80's, your ICE car can be shut down too. And unless you have your own oil well AND petroleum refinery, your government can still cut off your access to gasoline.
The problem isn't the technology, it's governments that, instead of protecting their citizens, are actively working to undermine our freedoms, and people are just letting it happen because they're sheep.
Oh yes. That's correct. Thanks.
So you’ll think they’ll still allow you to drive your ICE?
That this button you talk about isn’t already in place in modern ICE cars?
That they can’t restrict your movement if your credit score is too low, and you’re driving an ICE?
We have 2 possible outcomes of the war between the great awakening and the great reset; either we win or they do.
If we lose, your ICE is fucked, and my EV is heavily controlled. I can drive 250 miles on a full battery, you’ll never be able to fill your car after a few months.
If we win, neither is controlled, and nobody is restricted in movement.
I’m 100% certain that we win and electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
I'll give up my cars about the same time I give up my guns. And yes, my cars are all pre-1996 they have very simple electronics and can't be shut off by anyone. Nothing will every replace the rumble of a V8 and I'll run mine on straight ethanol made from my own corn with a little 2 stroke oil if I have to. The ICE engine is imho one of mankind's greatest inventions, and the one which most enables our freedom of movement. I would rather die with my Kar98 in my hands than drive an electric.
Good luck finding a tesla authorized repair centre willing to use parts from wrecks.
We ALL pay for it through insurance premiums... WE LOSE & DS wins.
Fuck off with your electric sheep fantasy.
I don’t drive a Tesla.
How can the DS win if we transfer from ICE to EVs?
How can they control EVs more than they can control ICE?
Sheep fantasy? Electricity is objectively cheaper and more efficient than gas, and subjectively more fun.
Greener? Probably not, but I’m not driving an EV because I believe the climate change agenda.
Electricity will never be as efficient as gasoline which is why they have to bribe idiots into buying electric cars with government (i.e. taxpayer) subsidies.
Please tell me what is so efficient about the energy required to mine and refine the elements used in the batteries or the power losses in transmission lines to get electricity to chargers.. how about the energy required to haul 1500 lbs of batteries around instead of 150 lbs of gasoline?
p.s. gasoline and diesel vehicles increase in efficiency at highway speeds... the opposite of battery powered cars so go ahead and tell me how you are going to travel 500 miles in 7 hours in battery powered car.
They win with sheep buying into their bullshit.
I was never able to drive 500 miles in 7 hours in my latest ICE either (Volvo V90 T5), I had to stop for toilet breaks.
I do a ~500mi trip every few months from my home in southern Sweden to my grandmother in middle Norway. That trip takes about the same time now (+/- 20 minutes) in my Hyundai Ioniq 5 compared to my V90.
I did 3 stops in my Volvo, first one for food/toilet, second shopping (Swedish sweets for granny on the border shop)/toilet and a third stop for toilet and snacks. Usually this trip would take around 8 hours highway driving.
The only stop that takes longer now is the last one, depending how much driving I plan to do around my granny’s hometown. If it’s 0, the stop takes the same time.
To fill the Ioniq 5 with 200 highway miles takes less than 20 minutes during summer.
Efficiency wise, the energy in an ICE car is mostly transferred into kinetic energy. In addition to the forward momentum created, the energy in petroleum product is also converted to sound and heat energy(good in winter/bad in summer), these are unwanted energy conversion that I don’t have in my EV.
And that’s what I meant with more efficient.
There are thousands of reports out there about the total life cycle of ICE vs EVs, and depending on who paid for the report, the winner is either one.
One thing to bear in mind is that the average US car has a lifespan of 11 years. That’s not enough time to kill the batteries in a modern EV, so battery replacements are off the table.
Another tidbit of information is that it takes about 1kWh to refine 1 litre of gasoline. My car uses about 2,1kWh/10km doing 110km/h.
For me an EV is much cheaper than an ICE because of the energy prices here in the EU. I understand that the calculations in the US are different with really cheap gas compared to us, and higher electrical prices.
I also recognise the “green problem” with EVs, and I find it a bit egoistic to transfer the pollution (the car is usually driven in a first world country) to the mining countries (usually third world).
But as I’ve said multiple times on this forum, I don’t drive an EV because it’s green, I drive it because it’s great fun and a lot cheaper.
It also saves me a lot of time, taking my usually long trip above, and the worst case scenario of 20 minute longer, I will still save time on an EV over the year total.
I drove the V90 to fill it up every ~10 days, about 40 times a year á 5 minutes = 200 minutes of my life filling the car every year.
To refill my EV at home takes less than 5 seconds plugging and unplugging the cord.
And usually recharging on the road is already within the timeframe of my normal stops, maybe 20 minutes extra on. 500mi trip. I can do 10 trips like that every year to equal the time used at a petroleum station.