One of the leaked docs that was in the newspapers (the one that showed the various trainings for equipment given by various countries) was marked SECRET. Smack dab in the middle of the doc it had a text box that actually called out the fact that Romania, Slovenia, and France were training Ukrainians in Ukraine. Most of the training for tanks/missiles/weapons systems showed Poland, Germany, Finland - other places outside of UKR.
That one kinda freaked me out. It is one thing to secretly train UKR even though everyone including Russia knows, but it is worse to have it published to the entire world that NATO is in country and Russia is not doing anything about it. Note - I said NATO. You know - the one with Article V?
The docs were US - not NATO. They illustrated what the NATO countries were training the Ukrainians with/on.
And yeah - I did 4 years overseas in the USAF (out of 10 total). Also the pentagon and finally NRC (DoE). I had a TS-SSBI/SCI and a Q. Some of that time I was in the comm center (in both theaters). I'm pretty familiar with that, and you are correct.
In my experience, when NATO is involved in the content, it is a NATO document. But that would be playing on a level field. How do you control bleed of NATO information through this mechanism to people who are not cleared for NATO information? That would be a classification conundrum. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. We were always briefed as to the possibility of being spied upon by (e.g.) the French or the Israelis. Anyway, I was always inclined to raise my eyebrows at the classification of COSMIC TOP SECRET. It always sounded like something from a Warner Brothers cartoon.
One of the leaked docs that was in the newspapers (the one that showed the various trainings for equipment given by various countries) was marked SECRET. Smack dab in the middle of the doc it had a text box that actually called out the fact that Romania, Slovenia, and France were training Ukrainians in Ukraine. Most of the training for tanks/missiles/weapons systems showed Poland, Germany, Finland - other places outside of UKR.
That one kinda freaked me out. It is one thing to secretly train UKR even though everyone including Russia knows, but it is worse to have it published to the entire world that NATO is in country and Russia is not doing anything about it. Note - I said NATO. You know - the one with Article V?
Pretty sure that one should have been Top Secret.
Actually, if it was NATO, it would have been NATO COSMIC Top Secret. (I kid you not.)
The docs were US - not NATO. They illustrated what the NATO countries were training the Ukrainians with/on.
And yeah - I did 4 years overseas in the USAF (out of 10 total). Also the pentagon and finally NRC (DoE). I had a TS-SSBI/SCI and a Q. Some of that time I was in the comm center (in both theaters). I'm pretty familiar with that, and you are correct.
In my experience, when NATO is involved in the content, it is a NATO document. But that would be playing on a level field. How do you control bleed of NATO information through this mechanism to people who are not cleared for NATO information? That would be a classification conundrum. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. We were always briefed as to the possibility of being spied upon by (e.g.) the French or the Israelis. Anyway, I was always inclined to raise my eyebrows at the classification of COSMIC TOP SECRET. It always sounded like something from a Warner Brothers cartoon.