Man some of you guys are complete assholes. The US does have a need for counter-intelligence. Not every agent at the CIA is DS, although most are. I had 2 friends that were agents in Russia back in the day before they both got out. And to those that will say they can never get out - you are armchair quarterbacks and don't know what you are talking about. These 2 got out - they burned themselves to do it and were relatively famous when they did because of what they did to get out.
Wishing death on people because you think they are all evil makes you no better than the deepstate.
When all the assets in a country or region are comped and/or killed we lose all of that intelligence, some of which just might allow the US to prevent an attack, or know which electronics are bugged, or whatever else we could see with active agents. Like it or not, spies are necessary and used by every country in the world. Not all of them are douchebags that want to run drugs or push wars. I have no sympathy for them, but others are patriots that joined to help their country. I don't think that they deserve to be killed because some asshat thinks they are all bad.
Question. When does ignorance turn into arrogance?
My dream when I was young was to be able to work for the government and find missing children. I was kidnapped in elementary school and it was interesting for me to go through that experience. It led me to a thing I wanted to pursue but circumstances and choices led me to a technical career.
I often think that was a better move.
Why?
Knowing me. I would have a hard time ignoring what has been speculated and even acknowledged coming from these government places.
If agents see crimes and are following orders — are they not complicit in the crimes? Someone stealing a computer keyboard is one thing but at what level is is to much?
They are very smart people and I just wonder if they recognize they only want criminals working there.
Is their any honor in being an agent if you are only following orders from a criminal?
I happen to agree with you. That is probably why there are so many DS people in the agencies - because the good people can't in good conscience stay. My overarching point was there are good people - at least for a little while. They don't deserve to die for wanting to serve their country. If they stay and get corrupted then all bets are off.
I had a friend that was NSA around 2000, until he burnt out for much of the same reasons. He quit and we worked together doing pen tests at a large company. I had been out of the AF for about a year or 2 by then. I had been recruited by a couple of agencies because of my cyber skills but I knew better than to go that direction because of the backstabbing that goes on in USSS, OSI, CID, etc. My friends gave good advice.
[Edited - the "good people" is not the same as that fraud Hannity's "good people" - I'm not saying 97% are good like he used to. Just to be clear.]
Man some of you guys are complete assholes. The US does have a need for counter-intelligence. Not every agent at the CIA is DS, although most are. I had 2 friends that were agents in Russia back in the day before they both got out. And to those that will say they can never get out - you are armchair quarterbacks and don't know what you are talking about. These 2 got out - they burned themselves to do it and were relatively famous when they did because of what they did to get out.
Wishing death on people because you think they are all evil makes you no better than the deepstate.
When all the assets in a country or region are comped and/or killed we lose all of that intelligence, some of which just might allow the US to prevent an attack, or know which electronics are bugged, or whatever else we could see with active agents. Like it or not, spies are necessary and used by every country in the world. Not all of them are douchebags that want to run drugs or push wars. I have no sympathy for them, but others are patriots that joined to help their country. I don't think that they deserve to be killed because some asshat thinks they are all bad.
Question. When does ignorance turn into arrogance?
My dream when I was young was to be able to work for the government and find missing children. I was kidnapped in elementary school and it was interesting for me to go through that experience. It led me to a thing I wanted to pursue but circumstances and choices led me to a technical career.
I often think that was a better move.
Why?
Knowing me. I would have a hard time ignoring what has been speculated and even acknowledged coming from these government places.
If agents see crimes and are following orders — are they not complicit in the crimes? Someone stealing a computer keyboard is one thing but at what level is is to much?
They are very smart people and I just wonder if they recognize they only want criminals working there.
Is their any honor in being an agent if you are only following orders from a criminal?
I happen to agree with you. That is probably why there are so many DS people in the agencies - because the good people can't in good conscience stay. My overarching point was there are good people - at least for a little while. They don't deserve to die for wanting to serve their country. If they stay and get corrupted then all bets are off.
I had a friend that was NSA around 2000, until he burnt out for much of the same reasons. He quit and we worked together doing pen tests at a large company. I had been out of the AF for about a year or 2 by then. I had been recruited by a couple of agencies because of my cyber skills but I knew better than to go that direction because of the backstabbing that goes on in USSS, OSI, CID, etc. My friends gave good advice.
[Edited - the "good people" is not the same as that fraud Hannity's "good people" - I'm not saying 97% are good like he used to. Just to be clear.]