We need to have a robust debate about whether corporations serve any real net benefit to society. They seem designed mostly to avoid lawsuits and personal responsibility for our actions.
Would everything be better if we had to conduct business in our real names?
I'd argue that in this instance it's not the corporations owning property that is the issues but rather their connection to unlimited free interest loans and guaranteed bailouts in failure.
Budweiser and Target execs are avoiding responsibility while destroying company value.
Do you dispute that these are examples of using corporate personhood to duck liability? What's some of the most common advice given to small business owners? "Form an LLC so you can reduce liability.
Merriam-Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".
I'm not sure what corporations have to do with fascism, other than that perhaps power in some instances ends up being centralized within them. But then wouldn't an equivalent statement be: "People are by definition fascism", or "Countries are by definition fascism". What the fascism manifests in is irrelevant, right?
You’re confused. Fascism isn’t some political or economic model. It’s merely the absence of government recognized and protected rights. Rule by the whims of those in power without regard for the interests of this who are ruled. All dictatorship are fascist states. No communist state gets to be a communist state without fascism. In other words: force. A good alternative to the word fascism would be force-ism. Another word for force-ism is slavery. When a government rules a people and does whatever they want to them without legal recourse, you have fascism. Period. Communism is an economic model whose creator knew was unsustainable and would wreak economic havoc on anyone who tried it. Socialism is merely the first big step in communism, where the government doesn’t take complete control over the means of production yet, but taxes the free market so much it creates unemployment. They then use that money that creates the unemployment to pay for the unemployed, which encourages more people to leave employment in favor of free money. They then need to tax the free market more in order to keep up with demand, hurting their economy more and driving up unemployment. Things get so bad that people become convinced the only solution is to hand complete economic control over to the government. But the only way that works is if everyone does exactly what the government says regardless of what they themselves want. But there’s no way to get everyone to do that except force then to (force-ism = fascism). But many people refuse to be forced, which is why communist regimes, which are all fascist/force-ist, always wind up murdering millions of people. Plus it was their plan all along anyway. They just never tell you that.
So fascism isn’t in the same category as socialism and communism. Those are economic models. They’re poison pill models that don’t work, even when people are forced to go along with it. They’re designed to be nation crushers inherently and that’s what they do. But fascism is merely force-ism. Taking away people’s rights without due process. There’s no real rule of law that people can rely on. It’s whatever dear leader or the party or whoever is in charge happens to want that day.
I think corporations are fine but everyone that works for a company should own a percentage so that everyone has to own the decisions. Anything bad the company does can be charged against any or everyone that works there if they know and don’t report it.
Would force every employee to be honest and to speak up if they catch their employee doing stuff like Twitter censoring MAGA voices or things like that.
How the fuck is wanting people to have a stake in the company they work for socialism?! I’m talking about people WORKING. Not being lazy and getting paid by the government.
We need to have a robust debate about whether corporations serve any real net benefit to society. They seem designed mostly to avoid lawsuits and personal responsibility for our actions.
Would everything be better if we had to conduct business in our real names?
I'd argue that in this instance it's not the corporations owning property that is the issues but rather their connection to unlimited free interest loans and guaranteed bailouts in failure.
Sackler's avoided responsibility:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65764307
Goldman Sachs avoided responsibility:
https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-123.htm
Wells Fargo employees avoided responsibility for their fraud:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/business/wells-fargo-shareholder-class-action-settlement.html
Equifax employees avoided responsibility for compromising our personal information:
https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/refunds/equifax-data-breach-settlement
Bank of America avoided responsibility for selling personal data to the government:
https://nypost.com/2021/02/05/calls-for-bank-of-america-boycott-grow-after-data-given-to-fbi/
Budweiser and Target execs are avoiding responsibility while destroying company value.
Do you dispute that these are examples of using corporate personhood to duck liability? What's some of the most common advice given to small business owners? "Form an LLC so you can reduce liability.
Merriam-Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition".
I'm not sure what corporations have to do with fascism, other than that perhaps power in some instances ends up being centralized within them. But then wouldn't an equivalent statement be: "People are by definition fascism", or "Countries are by definition fascism". What the fascism manifests in is irrelevant, right?
You’re confused. Fascism isn’t some political or economic model. It’s merely the absence of government recognized and protected rights. Rule by the whims of those in power without regard for the interests of this who are ruled. All dictatorship are fascist states. No communist state gets to be a communist state without fascism. In other words: force. A good alternative to the word fascism would be force-ism. Another word for force-ism is slavery. When a government rules a people and does whatever they want to them without legal recourse, you have fascism. Period. Communism is an economic model whose creator knew was unsustainable and would wreak economic havoc on anyone who tried it. Socialism is merely the first big step in communism, where the government doesn’t take complete control over the means of production yet, but taxes the free market so much it creates unemployment. They then use that money that creates the unemployment to pay for the unemployed, which encourages more people to leave employment in favor of free money. They then need to tax the free market more in order to keep up with demand, hurting their economy more and driving up unemployment. Things get so bad that people become convinced the only solution is to hand complete economic control over to the government. But the only way that works is if everyone does exactly what the government says regardless of what they themselves want. But there’s no way to get everyone to do that except force then to (force-ism = fascism). But many people refuse to be forced, which is why communist regimes, which are all fascist/force-ist, always wind up murdering millions of people. Plus it was their plan all along anyway. They just never tell you that.
So fascism isn’t in the same category as socialism and communism. Those are economic models. They’re poison pill models that don’t work, even when people are forced to go along with it. They’re designed to be nation crushers inherently and that’s what they do. But fascism is merely force-ism. Taking away people’s rights without due process. There’s no real rule of law that people can rely on. It’s whatever dear leader or the party or whoever is in charge happens to want that day.
I think corporations are fine but everyone that works for a company should own a percentage so that everyone has to own the decisions. Anything bad the company does can be charged against any or everyone that works there if they know and don’t report it.
Would force every employee to be honest and to speak up if they catch their employee doing stuff like Twitter censoring MAGA voices or things like that.
That's the most socialism I've ever read on these forums. But you are a handshake account so it makes sense
How the fuck is wanting people to have a stake in the company they work for socialism?! I’m talking about people WORKING. Not being lazy and getting paid by the government.
Have you ever owned a company? Have you ever hired people?
I've done both.
Working for a company, and being responsible and taking liability for said company are two completely different ideas.
Also the fact that you're so angry tells me you're definitely a troll account or a sleeper socialist.