... Furthermore, since they seem to be brainwashed by the FNM, the WH have made great strides in weaning many of them off the DS narrative teat. I'm one of those who wades into the detestable FNM swamp periodically to see what the left is being fed for narrative and it's been interesting to watch the changes.
I'm all for unity and allowing those strong enough to break their programming back into the fold, so to speak, but as long as those remaining on the left continue to reject both sides of an argument in favor of what they want or fear to be "true" I'll continue to consider them wilfully-ignorant.
Sorry, but have you tried to offer these people facts on a topic that they don't want to believe is true? I have, many times over the years (not just the recent jab data) and they refuse to even consider it. That's wilful ignorance. They want to believe in global cooling, global warming, climate change, standing room only or any number of other fear-inducing BS they get fed and no amount of data from actual scientists who aren't in line with the DS narrative will ever be even considered.
from their point of view, its simply unlikely that you're correct, and require more evidence. you're saying that providing evidence (exposure) will make a difference, so you can't also say they won't consider it, or evidence wouldn't work.
also, global cooling is not one of theirs.. isn't that a DJT quote?
Global cooling came before global warming which then morphed into climate change since people with long memories had begun to call them (DS) out on their 180-degree turnaround on fear porn tactics. They even did a movie on it in 2004, The Day After Tomorrow. I know which DJT quote you're speaking of, but this goes back decades. I'll try to dig up the name of that movie. Edit: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/
Again, regarding wilful ignorance... No, it's not that it requires more evidence - they won't consider the evidence you have. Whether it's fear or just desire to believe something their FNM tells them to believe they won't even look at it. Case in point (anecdotal) I sent a far left friend info on the dangers of those jabs and this person wouldn't even read it, said "Oh, that's from a partisan source". This person subsequently ended up with shingles and other neurological health problems. They refused to even read what was sent to them.
I've watched FNM talking heads tell their viewers specifically to not listen to any information which contradicts what they're telling them (the narrative) - and the sheep acquiesce! As long as I can remember, if someone told me to not listen to one side of a story, I went to seek that opposing view immediately. You cannot make sound decisions based on half an argument.
I'm not suggesting we give up the fight to get these people to break their programming, but you and I seem to differ on what to think of them while they're still under the throes of their well-funded brainwashing. I think it's destructive to them - and obviously to society/humanity as an entirety - for us to continue to mollycoddle them and pretend that their shitty behavior isn't shitty. And it's obvious to me that the spell of FNM needs to continue to be broken because our sheep are not listening to people who know and love them, but to FNM talking heads and DS "experts".
I love my leftist friends and want them to break free of their emotional chains, but as adults they're responsible for their words and actions. Tolerating bad behavior hasn't worked out well for them or for society as a whole.
you are making my case for me... your friend thinks it unlikely that you are correct, and you are expecting them to change their mind according to your timing, instead of their own. that's not how this works. if you want to effectively redpill, you have to learn how to work with their timing instead of fighting it. you don't pick the fruit on the same day you plant the seed, my guy. that is an unreasonable expectation.
i agree that fukl exposure of the crimes will help. and i agree that they are ruled by fear. but there is a lot of fear on our side as well, and we often make the mistake of trying to scare the left into agreeing with us. its much easier to change minds by looking comfy.
how is it willful ignorance when there is a concerted and expensive effort to keep them ignorant?
if it were willfull ignorance, exposure wouldn't make any difference at all. luckily that, for the most part, isn't the case.
... Furthermore, since they seem to be brainwashed by the FNM, the WH have made great strides in weaning many of them off the DS narrative teat. I'm one of those who wades into the detestable FNM swamp periodically to see what the left is being fed for narrative and it's been interesting to watch the changes.
I'm all for unity and allowing those strong enough to break their programming back into the fold, so to speak, but as long as those remaining on the left continue to reject both sides of an argument in favor of what they want or fear to be "true" I'll continue to consider them wilfully-ignorant.
Sorry, but have you tried to offer these people facts on a topic that they don't want to believe is true? I have, many times over the years (not just the recent jab data) and they refuse to even consider it. That's wilful ignorance. They want to believe in global cooling, global warming, climate change, standing room only or any number of other fear-inducing BS they get fed and no amount of data from actual scientists who aren't in line with the DS narrative will ever be even considered.
from their point of view, its simply unlikely that you're correct, and require more evidence. you're saying that providing evidence (exposure) will make a difference, so you can't also say they won't consider it, or evidence wouldn't work.
also, global cooling is not one of theirs.. isn't that a DJT quote?
Global cooling came before global warming which then morphed into climate change since people with long memories had begun to call them (DS) out on their 180-degree turnaround on fear porn tactics. They even did a movie on it in 2004, The Day After Tomorrow. I know which DJT quote you're speaking of, but this goes back decades. I'll try to dig up the name of that movie. Edit: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/
Again, regarding wilful ignorance... No, it's not that it requires more evidence - they won't consider the evidence you have. Whether it's fear or just desire to believe something their FNM tells them to believe they won't even look at it. Case in point (anecdotal) I sent a far left friend info on the dangers of those jabs and this person wouldn't even read it, said "Oh, that's from a partisan source". This person subsequently ended up with shingles and other neurological health problems. They refused to even read what was sent to them.
I've watched FNM talking heads tell their viewers specifically to not listen to any information which contradicts what they're telling them (the narrative) - and the sheep acquiesce! As long as I can remember, if someone told me to not listen to one side of a story, I went to seek that opposing view immediately. You cannot make sound decisions based on half an argument.
I'm not suggesting we give up the fight to get these people to break their programming, but you and I seem to differ on what to think of them while they're still under the throes of their well-funded brainwashing. I think it's destructive to them - and obviously to society/humanity as an entirety - for us to continue to mollycoddle them and pretend that their shitty behavior isn't shitty. And it's obvious to me that the spell of FNM needs to continue to be broken because our sheep are not listening to people who know and love them, but to FNM talking heads and DS "experts".
I love my leftist friends and want them to break free of their emotional chains, but as adults they're responsible for their words and actions. Tolerating bad behavior hasn't worked out well for them or for society as a whole.
you are making my case for me... your friend thinks it unlikely that you are correct, and you are expecting them to change their mind according to your timing, instead of their own. that's not how this works. if you want to effectively redpill, you have to learn how to work with their timing instead of fighting it. you don't pick the fruit on the same day you plant the seed, my guy. that is an unreasonable expectation.
i agree that fukl exposure of the crimes will help. and i agree that they are ruled by fear. but there is a lot of fear on our side as well, and we often make the mistake of trying to scare the left into agreeing with us. its much easier to change minds by looking comfy.