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Patrick Webb - "Former President Donald Trump's classified documents case likely to be dismissed due to DOJ misconduct, according to new reports."...🤔 (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by purkiss80 3 years ago by purkiss80 +254 / -0
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– TomPaineSentMe 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"Classified material" is not specific.

It's absolutely specific enough for a search warrant. If you are searching for cocaine, you don't need to specify where it's from or whose stamp is on it. Nothing more is needed. This is standard.

It classified documents had been turned over to Trump, where are the custody receipts? The document control authority would have a copy of the receipt for the last known custodian (e.g., Trump or the Office of the President). They wouldn't need to ransack Trump's home; they would only need to show up and present the list of particular documents.

The National Archives started trying to get documents back from Trump in 2021. They knew documents were missing. He eventually returned 15 boxes, the boxes had classified documents in them....after a lot of back and forth the Investigative division of NARA made a referral to DOJ. DOJ issued a subpoena. There were still documents found at Mar a Lago where the search warrant was served.

As for what we don't see in the photos. Here's how what has been logged as evidence it's tracked, It's 64 page list of numbers. Every item would get a Bates number, for examplea box gets a bates number, then for every documents inside the box, every single page would get its own Bates number. There's almost 3K numbers, so lots of pages were taken. And they will be give to Trump as evidence. (The Chevy under the tarp so to speak)

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23170135-221012-bates-plus-box-numbers https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Bates_numbering

I have read recently that the indictment does not relate to classified document control, but to supposed violations of the Espionage Act. It will be interesting to see how this fares before a real jury.

The Espionage Act is older than the classification system, so the language it contains is about "Nation Defense Information." but in court, one way you prove the documents involve NDI is to show they were classified.......so it's kind of the same thing.

Trump is charged with violating this section 18 U.S.C. Section 793 (e)

It's the same section Reality Winner, Bradley Manning and Jack Teixeira were charged with. A lot of people think General Petraeus should have been charged with this, but he plead guilty and got a deal.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-government-contractor-georgia-charged-removing-and-mailing-classified-materials-news

My basic point is and has been: This is a serious case.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"Cocaine" has a specific chemical identity. To search for "cocaine" is tremendously specific, as compared to searching for "white powder."

You keep talking as though we can trust the FBI, with item tag numbers and so forth. Even though there is no way now of establishing that any of these things were either in Trump's possession or inserted by the FBI. 30 years ago, I was on hand to watch how the FBI executed an arrest warrant on David Koresh in Waco, Texas. It ended with the immolation of 86 men, women, and children in a massacre on television. The FBI fully asserted their righteousness after the fact. AG Janet Reno was the epitome of cold defiant contempt toward Congress in her testimony. They bulldozed the rubble to destroy the crime scene.

If you want to take as your ground rule that the FBI and DoJ have spotless integrity and are above putting their thumbs on the scales...well, we don't live in the same world. And you still know nothing about how actual classified material is handled and kept, since I have had to inform you of details all along and you don't seem to grasp their significance.

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– TomPaineSentMe 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Cocaine" has a specific chemical identity

Wow.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

C17H21NO4 This can also show up as salts (e.g., the hydrochloride).

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