Revenge is a fundamental component of justice and most people do not feel a sense of justice unless some measure of revenge has been enacted. Revenge can be as simple as punishment and there is this thing about how the punishment should for the crime, well I agree, it should.
As far as I'm concerned, there should be rehab for people who committed non-violent "crimes of necessity" or who need addiction counseling or mental help and public square stockades with rotten fruit for passer-by to throw. But then for the other stuff this should happen:
- the criminal should be tied post in a room
- the room should be stocked with melee weapons in case the family wants them
- the family should be allowed into the room
- what happens in the room stays in the room an no one is guilty
Also, if undeniable proof is acquired of a crime like that, then it should be legal for the family member to get revenge provided they can prove they were justified after the fact.
I'm a solutions kind of person. The harshest punishment is the best deterrent. Especially because the family will ensure the punishment fits the crime and serves as deterrent for the criminal and potential criminals.
Bleeding hearts are enablers. All you do is make more future victims. When a dog bites a child we put it down, when a Pedophile damages a childs internal organs to the point of needing reconstructive surgery, he gets 10 years in jail, and then he's more careful next time.
If you know that there is a real and serious risk that you will be brutally murdered if you molest a kid and that the perpetrators will be celebrated, you'll think 100,000 times before you ever dare breath in the direction of a child.
You have a sick sense of justice if you think letting, what Jesus himself described as "reprobate" to live to abuse more children
Also, you are correct, I am advocating for a brutalistic form of justice. I also think that public shaming and corporeal punishment should be a part of the justice system.
I think that a stockade where you get covered in rot and slime and tarred feathered, potentially publicly whipped would be plenty deterrence for crimes like armed robbery and it would be a much shorter and more effective punishement.
It has to hurt enough that they will never dream about breaking into a house in the middle of the night and robbing a grandma at knifepoint again so I think the punishment needs to actually hurt physically and mentally.
I would like to make them have post traumatic stress disorder when someone suggests performing an armed robbery or anything that might get them punished that way again.
A lifetime correction could be made in one day.
Didn't say I was christian, I'm a polytheist, Jesus said they were reprobate and that with what's coming for them is so bad that it would be better for a millstone to be tied aorund their neck and for them to be dropped into the ocean.
Tell me, how kind of a death does that sound to you and what does it imply god think they deserve?
Don't know much about Christian history, huh?
I am quite well versed, thank you.
One Fundamental problem with legal systems based on the adversarial system (The English system used in Countries that were former colonies of Britain ie US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand ect) is the assumption that people will tell the truth when they have sworn to on the Bible.
The accused person can lie, witnesses can lie.
It is possible that using a functional MRI to scan brain activity to ascertain if a subject is being truthful could result in a more accurate outcome.
This use of the MRI would be an additional investigative tool used when sufficient evidence has indicated the subject is implicated in involvement in the crime under investigation.
This may appear to be dystopian nightmare,but if managed correctly could remove the subjectivness that often results in an innocent person being convicted and a complete psychopath being acquitted.
Psychopath's are the very best liars.
Too true, best actors too, they spend their whole life learning to fake emotions they don't have to blend in.
Silver tongued snakes
Yes, we need to see people pay for their crimes. However, revenge is the old paradigm. It is vital to a healthy country that corrupt individuals be held accountable for their crimes. Justice, accountability, amends (which includes jail time or death in some cases) and restitution.
Since the new testament it has been foretold that Love will be the great equalizer not hate or its offshoot revenge.
"Being held accountable for your crimes" == revenge
Just because the state decides the scale of the revenge and enacts it itself, does not change that it is revenge, it's just state sanctioned and enacted.
I'm saying the family of the victims should decide and enact the sentence, they should be allowed the option to get revenge personally, the state shouldn't steal it from them.
Sorry. I disagree. Justice is not the same as revenge. Humanity has moved beyond an eye for an eye retribution. Good thing to.
Okay, hypothetical question then: Suppose that someone takes your 7 and 5 year old boys and rapes them over the process of 2 days under the guise of foster care and puts one in the hospital and the other in the grave, dead from a bruised liver. (example is from a real court case)
How do you get justice without enacting some form of revenge, locking someone up is revenge, revenge deosn't mean killing them, it can, but it doesn't mean killing them.
How do you do it?
And if your answer is that "when the state does it, it's justice, when you do it it's revenge" then that's called hypocrisy.
Revenge is a component of justice.