Assertion: "Pence said America is not his concern"
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https://files.catbox.moe/ljz24f.mp4
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I'm seeing people posting stuff about Pence saying America is NOT his concern. One example is a meme by Turning Point Action, posted in GAW 6 hours ago, declaring Pence committed political suicide.
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Now, some folks think Pence is a DJT loyalist who is doing Kayfabe and is running for candidacy for strategic reasons. Others think Pence is a scumbag and DS asset.
Personally I'm the former. But whatever one's position personally on Pence (which has to include your view on Q, devolution, the Plan, etc), it behooves each of us to approach the information with critical and rational thinking, rather than emotional reaction. In other words, we should let our prejudices and biases just lead us around like a dog on a chain.
In my view, the narrative being thrown around about this Pence issue now is
FAKE NEWS. 100% It's a distortion, malinformation.
Here's why I think that.
There are essentially FOUR key data points that I consider re: how to analyse and breakdown this news.
ONE The discourse and its whole context
TWO The language of Pence in response to Tucker
THREE The illogicality of Pence even saying "America is not my concern"
FOUR Donald Trump's recent words regarding Pence
1. Take the whole discourse and understand the context.
Tucker said "XXX American situation, and YOUR concern is .... how many tanks Ukraine has". Despite all the other things in a very long sentence, this is Tuckers basic premise and assertion to Pence.
How does Pence respond? Pence responds "that is NOT my concern"
Listen to the above (short) clip a few times. It becomes very clear when you take the statement in context.
Pence Immediately goes on to clarify he is concerned about the American situation. He's rebutting the idea that Pence has no concern for the USA, clarifying that the way Tucker framed 'his' concern is not factual.
Tucker said "your concern is.... that Ukraine doesn't have enough tanks" Then says other stuff and "where's the concern for America in that?"
Pence said "that is not my concern" OBVIOUSLY talking about Tucker's assertion that Pence's concern is for the Ukraine having tanks.
He rebutts Tucker by saying "Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern."
2. Why does Pence say "I've heard that Routine from you before"?
What routine? Clearly, it's the routine where Tucker is asserting that "Pence is more concerned about ukrainian tanks than he is about America".
Pence is accepting Tucker's dialog as a clear provocative question/assertion, and responds by saying "it's a routine" as any politician with half a brain would, let alone someone who was TRUMP's VP.
Pence then goes on to clarify WHY he is running for President, essentially rebutting Tuckers assertion that Pence is NOT concerned about America.
"I'm running for President of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble. I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad."
So A) Pence rebutts Tuckers assertion, B) reinforces that by stating Tucker's assertion is a routine (designed to provoke or irritate the interviewee, Pence) and C) then proceeds to say exactly WHY he is concerned about America.
3. Does it make any sense that Pence would state "America is not my concern"?
Contextually, it makes NO sense to think that Pence would say, openly, at an interview "I'm not concerned about America at all".
That's idiotic. He'd have to be drunk or shot up with sodium pentathol to say anything like that IF it were in fact true. It's ludicrous, and really ONLY believable if you have severe biases and prejudices about Pence.
If Pence was truly Deep state, would he say that openly? He'd be the first politician in the history of the deep state, with some reall rippers in there like Obama, Clinton(s), Bushes, and pretty much every other owned Deep State congressman or woman.
I'll admit, Pence's manner in responding is unfortunate. Grammatically (I mean, in terms of logic, facts, etc) Pence is correct, because he's responding to Tuckers main assertion that "X is your concern" Like a nerd who isn't paying attention to how it sounds. He's just answering factually.
BUT to someone NOT paying actually attention, it sounds like he's saying America is not my concern.
4. DJT's comments and talk about Pence
I get that a LOT of people including anons are upset about the stolen election (who isn't) and that they blame Pence on the basis of a lot of DJT's rhetoric.
But if devolution is really in play, if DJT KNEW they were going to steal the election and his plan involved letting them get away with it because of a larger sting operation, then Pence HAD to do what he did. AND, if he actually intervened in the process, it would have set a precedent that ANY VP could do this. Anytime.
IF DJT knew they would and did steal the election, then it means he violated his vow to the American people and simply let them get away. But that's not DJT, so some sort of Devolution / Continuity of Government HAS to be in play.
More importantly, in the past few months, DJT has come out and said essentially positive and supportive things about Pence, even though previously he's blamed Pence for the Jan 6 situation, etc. Why? Because blaming Pence was necessary Kayfabe to create a distance between them. Just like many others.
Do you think there is a reason why DJT's rhetoric so often sounds like a WWF wrestler haranguing his opponent? The WWF wrestling is literally KAYFABE.
If DJT's rhetoric around Pence was NOT kayfabe, how could DJT now say, one or two months ago, at that major CPAC conference, that literally "Pence never did a bad thing in his life"? and "He's an honorable man" etc on other recent occasions.
kayfabe is real.
Why Spread The Pence Said This Narrative?
Who benefits from spreading this narrative designed to trigger hate for Peace? Who is it that constantly puts out rage bait to trigger 'conservatives' and Maga folks, so that they are reacting instead of thinking clearly? Controlled Opposition aka Conservative inc. The likes of Candace Owens, the likes of Ben Shapiro, the likes of other establishment conservatives.
Rage baiting is a way that controlled opposition get the Maga and conservative base (and anons, actually) off kilter. You become so worked up with 'hating' the target or 'fearing' the outcome that you are simply acting from emotional reaction, instead of dispassionately reasoning, thinking critically and balanced (based).
It's a clear and obvious strategy that Controlled Oppo would use. It doesn't really matter if the object of the hate or fear is bad or not. If they are bad, then even better, because it's all the easier to trigger your reactive emotional knee-jerk responses and to condition you to think less, react more.
I can only conclude that people or organizations who are spreading this narrative ("Pence said America is not his concern") narrative are EITHER:
Disinformation operatives (controlled opposition, etc)
Persons so biased by their view of Pence that they believe mostly anything that the bias confirms (aka they react instead of thinking)
Persons who hate Pence either way and don't care whether he said it or not. Spread anything because Pence is Scum
Persons who are simply ill-informed but whose biases lead them to repost and accept the narrative without really checking the facts and the context.
The FACTS and the CONTEXT are clear.
Does Turning Point Action expose themselves here as controlled opposition? Why else would they attack Pence with this sort of fake news, and spread fakeness around? Or are they simply totally incompetent and without journalistic integrity?
Conclusion
Putting aside one's own view of whether Pence is a Patriot doing Kayfabe, or a Deep State asset scum, it should be pretty obvious that in this instance, Pence is NOT saying "America is not my concern".
If after examining the evidence, you still think he's saying that, then i have a really big Bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
This news - Pence said America is NOT his concern - is FAKE.
It's a misread/mishear of what was said at best. At worst, it's actually dis/mal info.
The war is real. The news is fake. Q
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Do not let personal (EMOTIONal) desires ("do it now""now""what is taking so long""NOW!") take over.
Logical thinking and strategy should always be applied.
Q2604
Those who push simply do not understand warfare tactics.
EMOTIONs cloud judgement.
EMOTIONs cloud logic.
You have more than you know.
UPDATE: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/fake-news-mike-pence-lashes-after-his-thats/
It's a sad day when Maga influencers stoop to the level of fake news to destroy an opponent, perceived or real.
That's what the Cabal propaganda machine does. Maga has to do better.
Thanks for the reply, and sharing your reasoning. Updoogle.
I guess we have very different concepts of what the Q operation is. My view is that the Q operation is a military intelligence operation run with specific objectives including activating an army of anons, triggering mass public awakening and generating a significant civilian force in the 5G war.
The Q team has [less than 10] individuals who have direct knowledge about Who is on the Team, What the Q operation Plan is, and What it's specific objectives are and how and by who it was developed. But that doesn't mean other people don't have levels of knoweldge, and delegated responsibilities.
Imagine a massive army invasion operation like Normandy. How many people knew the whole plan? There were some 200,000 troops involved in the actual landing, but how many millions were involved in; logistics planning and execution, equipment preparation, etc, etc.?
But how many planned it and knew the whole picture? https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/a-whos-who-of-d-day
There were hundreds of thousands of other people at all different levels with SOME knowledge but on a need to know basis for their role in the campaign.
Likely as not, NONE of the people below Colonel (just speculating here) knew the actual landing cite until 24 hours before D-Day.
That's how I see the Q operation. The Q team is the team directly involved in planning, and seeing that the Q operation fulfills its objective. As a military operation, there are many working in coordination with the objectives of the Q team, but who do not necessarily know The Whole Picture. Think of Kash Patel, think of Col. Miller, Ezra Watkins, Dan Scavino, Gen Flynn, Nunes, etc, etc. They don't have to be on the Q team to get instructions and directions and information about what they should do or to be given tasks and missions.
Moreover, the Q operation is part of a much larger overall plan, in my view.
So, no, I've never thought for a second that Pence was literally on the Q team. Not at all. But as he was DJT's VP, he could very well have been privy to very important knoweldge and easily be instructed (requested) by DJT or others to play a specific role, for example. In fact, the Q drop says this about the 'team'.
Then, there was all the stuff that happened right AFTER the election in 2020, when DJT switched around people to be acting Sec of Defense, the changes to the Special Ops chain of command, etc. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller praised Pence and thanked Pence mentoring him and working with him in "some of the most complex military operations this nation has ever done". That doesn't necessarily mean anything about the Q operation, but it strongly implies something. (Miller was Acting Sec Def. From Nov. 9, 2020, until Jan. 20, 2021).
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You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands.
That doesn't even necessarily mean there are only 10 on the team. It means, only less than ten have the full picture, and that up to 6 of them are military (emphasizing the military nature of the operation and the very controlled nature of who knows what). Possibly, the persons doing the posting may not even have been included in those 10. I doubt it, but it's possible.
So, for me, the idea that [Pence was not on Q team] = [Pence was completely ignorant of any plan or of certain fundamentals of the plan or was just some place holder doing whatever], I just don't see it that way.
That's not how military operations work, and its not for that matter how an administration works, either. in very secretive or clandestine operations, its usually a need to know basis. But it doesn't mean no one except the top people know nothing or don't have their roles or missions.
And that's why it seemed to me that you don't factor in the Q operation, but I see that in fact it's just that we have very different concepts of what that operation is and how it was (or is being) executed.
For me, the existence of the Q operation implies directly that many, many people are working together in a clandestine strategy that interconnects with the Q operation itself (which is the operation as I said to engage and activate a large awake civilian intelligence network aka anons and trigger a massive worldwide awakening to the reality of the evil behind the veil).
I guess some folks watched the Patriot Joe video (I watched it many times) "The Plan to Save the World" and they think somehow that a) less than 10 people are involved in the operation (whereas less than 10 people KNOW the WHOLE PICTURE) and b) that the Q operation = the WHOLE strategy by DJT and the White Hats to ..... save the world?
I see the Q operation as a military intelligence operation that functions as PART of a much larger overall war and strategy to take down the Cabal and destroy the Deep State in the US and elsewhere. "biggest info drop ever"
Am I correct in thinking, then that you basically think that unless someone is directly on the Q team or rather has direct knowledge of the Whole Plan that they basically know nothing, and are just playing a .... normie role? Serious question.
No, but we can examine a very wide set of data and information to apply logical analysis and reasoning to come up with explanations that map more or map less on to the known facts.
Taking about the 2000 facts garnered over the last 5 years, I don't buy the premise that Pence is deep state or that DJT was forced to accept him, but he was a snake undermining DJT all the time. But obviously others have different views.
I think everything has been planned out meticulously, including contingencies, and timing, responses from the opponents (DS), and that the plan was essentially a three-stage plan:
Preparation and Foundation Phase
ONE. Trump Administration 1 - flush the key power positions and neutralize the enemy strongholds by siloing them and cutting them off from their established communication systems (remember the Star Wars gaming thing, for example), while showing how well everything can go when the right steps are taken byb a government NOT under Cabal control.
Exposure and disclosure phase
TWO. Trump 'Administration' '#2' - Devolution and continuity of government activated by Trump at the end of ONE to safeguard certain KEY functions of government so that things never actually get out of control beyond a certain point, then let the enemy run their playbook, including stealing the election, all the while keeping the enemy network (from highest ups to lowly minions) essentially in the dark and not knowing what the White Hats are doing, and showing America and the world what the REAL agenda is by the Cabal, and how much they hate freedom and people, etc, and how deep the corruption actually goes, in ALL institutions, including the judiciary, media, corporations, govt, depts. etc, WHILE pushing the conditions that implode the Fiat Currency Cabal system.
(Putin could never have cleaned out and exposed Ukraine, for example, with DJT in the White House. So how to clean out Ukraine?)
Justice and Completion Stage
THREE. Trump Administration 2 (#3). On the basis of a fully awakened population and with the necessary public mandate (not just maga but the vast majority of Americans), execute the full decimation of the Deep State apparatus (all remnants) and remove the malignancy that has been there for decades and centuries.
There is a LOT of evidence that points very very strongly towards this being the actual WH plan (not to be confused with the Q plan or the Q operation itself, which is like a special ops operation run as part of the overall plan).
Anyway, that's how I see it these days. And that's after tracking Q and the core situation closely after 5+ years. But either way, we don't need to agree. No one is going to know exactly or perfectly, so we can always learn from others.
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Thanks for the reply. I actually have used the same D-Day argument myself and for the same reasons you did. I know how that works - I was USAF for 10 years. Part of that time was spent at NORAD as an admin for WWMCCS and JOPES. Half of my career was also at the Pentagon. I had a TS-SSBI with SCI the entire time, and a Q later on when I was an NRC cyber inspector.
However I don't agree Pence was privy to any real Q operations info. That doesn't mean he wasn't asked to do certain things that were actually part of the plan. Much like the D-Day example. Besides, like I said I don't believe he had anything to offer. The VP is not even in or over the military either. There is no vice commander-in-chief. VP only has 2 official jobs. One is President of the Senate, and the other is "be ready if the POTUS dies".
This is an interesting question. My answer is mostly a yes. It is similar to an SAP. The people on an SAP know what the program is about. More people play a part in that program, but only a part. They have no idea about the SAP - they are not allowed to, but they may be an important part of the overall operation without knowing they are actually working on an SAP. Things are compartmentalized for a reason. You may often need operations from outside of a program, and you may even have a need to keep those operations secret from other teams doing other operations. Even if just for plausible deniability.
Something I think a lot of people don't understand is "the plan" is not a single plan. It can't be, because situations change. There may be an outline with desired results for an overall plan, but there would have to be numerous plans based on different situations or results. Otherwise one setback or failure could sink the whole plan. If you were in the military maybe you have heard of SIOP (or SIOP-ESI) - Single Integrated Operational Plan - Extremely Sensitive Information. That was the US nuclear war plan until about 2003 (now they use OPLANs). It has "single" in the name but that plan had a whole bunch of plans and targets. I imagine "The Plan" is similar.
Also, if my theory is correct and it was up to Pence to do what Trump asked on Jan 6th (but he did not) then Devolution became necessary. If Pence sent the results back to the states and it was proven that Trump won then devolution may not have been necessary.
Same for Ukraine. Did you ever think that Trump and Putin could have talked about those bio labs and all the corruption in Ukraine? For all we know, Trump may have promised Putin they would work together to eliminate them, stop the child trafficking, prosecute the Bidens for their corruption and interference in Ukraine, and continue to work together on the rest of the world as well. There has been speculation for a long time that Trump, Putin, and possibly XI were all working together against the DS. When it became clear that Trump was not going to win any of the court cases and Pence was not going to send the results to the states Putin may not have wanted to risk another 4 years of bio labs on his borders and took matters into his own hands.
Here's a question for you: Trump has been saying he will be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours if he is elected (even before his inauguration). I think we all know when Trump says something as strongly as he says this, he has a good reason and knows something. Why do you think he is so insistent that he would be able to end it on one day? My guess is because once Trump wins the election Putin (and maybe Xi) will be able to work together again to take down the DS from a position of power and Trump will be able to prosecute the people he needs to (assuming he gets a competent AG this time).
I don't know if any of this is correct, or if so how much, but I think we are probably closer in thought than you may realize. We all have different experiences to draw on, and I happen to have a lot of time in jobs that required clearances (15 total years). I don't know about you, but those experiences I had help shape the way I look at Q and the plan in general.
This has been fun - I like it when I am forced to think. The board needs more of these kinds of discussions.
Yeah, thanks here. It's been fascinating and really enjoyable to hear about your background. One good (turn) deserves another. kek. I'm very different. I am a linguist with fluency in three languages and a certain amount of training in lexical analysis, text analysis, a solid background in religious thought as well as translation and interpreting.
(This is partly the why behind my possibly excessive breakdown of the Pence statement.) Self employed most of my career, I also have experience working at the liaison level with high level 'leaders in the political, religious and cultural spheres. (Once sat in on a summit meeting between two heads of state, one of which was Japan.)
Very interesting to read yoru views in the context of your experience and your professional expertise. Your reply raises some questions I find interesting.
What do you make of the ceremony where C. Miller (Acting Sec Def.) thanked Mike Pence for his leadership and talked about being involved together in some of the most complex military operations ever?
Unsure what a SAP is in this context.
What I find really interesting is that we have similar views, I think, re: the hierarchical nature of the need-to-know situation in military operations for example, or in any large undertaking, but we still have very dissimilar views re: the role of Pence.
I guess there are still some. For me, the implications of the Q drops including the NASA launch sequence post are clear. The plan will be dynamic in nature, with clear objectives, that can and does respond (moves and countermoves) to enemy actions, and that in terms of timing, it would be like the Nasa launch, where the sequence or progress of the plan is not linear, but proceeds based on specific responses from the other side, or rather, on certain conditional statuses being met. (ie. the plan cannot proceed until X condition is met)
I view "The Plan" as it were like a massive tree or branch graph, replete with contingencies upon contingencies (i.e. alternate steps taken in response to new developments and countermoves by the opponents), but mapped out and gamed in kazillions of permutations to find the best, most optimal one, but again, with contingencies and alternates, then the next best one, the next, the next, and the next. This would then be raw data used when making decisions related to moving forward, etc. Logically, it makes no sense (to me) for it to be done any other way. (But maybe there is...)
If its military intelligence, their access to the most power supercomputing tech and modelling equipment would mean that they have gamed it out millions of times over with almost infinite variables.
I think such a plan would actually involve defining the outcome at the start. As Q dropped "it was over before it began". In other words, right at the outset, certain conditions (objectives) would have been targeted in a way that defines the parameters of the game, so that the opposition's options for response are increasingly limited. I.e certain responses or countermeasures be neutralized at the very start, before the opposition could change that, so that the field of the game gets narrower and narrower. Other countermeasures and responses would be predicted and the way to utilize them maximized, and indeed certain responses 'induced'.
Like a master chess player, control the flow of play by giving the opposition a field of options they can use, but which ultimately make their choices narrower and narrower ("NEVER INTERFERE With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself.")
I guess this is why, i think, from the beginning, the plan ALWAYS involved 2020 being stolen. They would have had contingency plans in case for some reason, the Deep State actually gave up (fat chance) but were perhaps 90% confident that they would not be able to resist. DJT was talking about stealing the election, and Q was talking about them rigging the election, for a LONG time before Nov 2020. Early on in 2020 Q was talking about how they were using covid to rig the election.
I think none of us imagined that the WH would actually let them do that, but in hindsight, it makes perfect sense (to me) "Sometimes you can't tell the public the truth. YOU MUST SHOW THEM. ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE. It HAD TO BE this way."
Fwiw, I think that Trump and Putin were certainly working together, but I don't really see how they could clean out Ukraine if DJT was in the white house. Still a LOT of Cabal actors all around the world AND in the USA.
No, I think that the steal was always a necessary even if painful part of the plan to root out the entire system. Or at a minimum it was understood they would attempt it, but that actually evolved into an almost certainty by the start of 2020.
Essentially, because I think that Putin is most certainly cooperating with Trump, but also that very possibly Zelenski is also playing a role. There have been several times when Zelenski and Putin were going to meet and have peace talks. The first time, Boris Johnson PM of the UK intervened in order to prevent that.
I think that the deep state in the US and Europe have been siloed, unable to communicate and operate as they used to. If the strings have been cut (like NK Kim), then the mechanisms of control don't operate as usual. The ide here is that a certain amount of the Cabal infrastructure is in place (middle level, low level) but they cannot get clear marching orders from the top.
The Cabal is in a desperate situation, and they want to somehow trigger WW3 between Russian and the USA, but they cannot actually do it because a) Devolution is in place (think guard rails to essential functions, including the certain branches and aspects of the military) and b) Putin knows this.
Meanwhile they are exposed for who they are more and more, the military industrial complex driving the forever wars is being outed to the public. The awakening has moved way beyond anons now. Sound of Freedom being a good example of that.
At this point, everything they do serves only to expose them more and more to the public.
What about Zelenski?
Trump had a 'perfect call' with zelenski, one that very conveniently set up the accusation of quid pro quo (informing the American people of the concept) and the impeachment. But DJT did NO quid pro quo, but who did? Biden. Its a little TOO convenient that this now boomerangs to Biden corruption and that the American public have to a certain extent all become familiar with the idea of Quid pro quo.
So, was perhaps Zelenski a deep state actor who flipped and is actually serving the DJT agenda? If only to save himself, even? If not, why else would Zelenski's govt security agency target the very oligarch who put him in power (kolomoisky)?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-reportedly-strips-3-jewish-oligarchs-of-ukrainian-citizenship/
It's curious, right?
IMO, there is a LOT of kayfabe. It's necessary to A) keep the deep state minions and players etc in the dark by confusing them or making them think or wonder if P is theirs when in fact P is not, while the plan continues, the public wakes up more and more, and the cabal system itself is being gutted from inside and behind the scenes.
Think Sting operation x 10,000. Thousands and thousands of nodes of sting operations all being carried out, while the propaganda media and deep state actors still think they can get trump.
So, when DJT is returned to Potus authority, he will be able to get Zelenski and Putin together straight away and settle it. That's my current working theory. People think DJT is so boastful 9and he is) but what sort of impact worldwide would it have if DJT were elected and then immediately brought peace to Ukraine and Russia. Even overseas deep state media could not block that from the public.
FWIW, I think that the key players in Trumps administration were all chosen for very important reasons, and that his AGs (sessions and barr) did amazing things with Trump, but that part of the plan requires the necessary kayfabe. Optics VERy important.
DJT was great pals with Barr until the time that the stolen election became the issue. Then, DJT had to slam Barr, but Barr also had to deny massive voter fraud, in order to distance himself and his works from DJT. Optics are critical. It cannot be seen that a dep of justice under trump goes after people who folks perceive are his political enemies. Very bad look.
But now, under Biden's so-called DoJ, Trump is being indicted, arrested, charged, etc. Think template, boomerang.
Did Trump EVER say anything negative about Pence until or except the 'Stolen election' thing? i don't recall it. To me, there are myriad clear reasons why such kayfabe might be necessary. Certainly in the case of Barr, but also in the case of Pence and the Votes.
But some folks simply cannot see that. But Kayfabe isn't merely fantasy for the sake of fantasy. It provides all sorts of optics cover, narrative cover so that certain things do NOT look bad. At the end of the day, without the broad public mandate from the American people, including them understanding HOW deep the corruption is, and WHY DJT's actions are necessary (and not political), then his hands are really tied. So..... a LOT of kayfabe. Shadow boxing.
Folks look only at the surface level and draw conclusions based on that, but part of the Q operation was to activate anons who would dig deeper and look deeper behind the scenes. "Enjoy the Show"
In any case, an interesting discussion. Always worth having. Exchanges of idea and indeed thinking processes will always benefit if we engage in good faith.
I agree, the board needs more of this.