For all the haters and deniers. Q told us we are not alone. Read the post yourself and see.
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Your claim is partially accurate but needs further context and clarification. When books are removed from the biblical canon, it does result in a change to the collection of texts, and these removed books will no longer be included in the Bible. This aspect of your claim is true.
However, whether the removal of certain books would significantly change the overall perspective on the rest of the Bible depends on the specific books in question and their contents. The biblical canon was formed over centuries through careful considerations of various criteria, including apostolic authorship, orthodox content, and widespread acceptance. The books that were eventually included were deemed to be consistent with the core teachings and beliefs of Judaism (if were solely discussing the Old Testament)..
While some removed books, known as apocryphal or pseudepigraphal writings, may offer additional historical or theological insights, their exclusion didn't drastically alter the central message and doctrines of the Bible. The core themes and teachings that are essential to Christianity and Judaism are found in the accepted books of the Bible, and these teachings remain unchanged regardless of the exclusion of other writings.
In summary, your claim correctly acknowledges that removing books from the biblical canon does result in changes to the collection of texts. However, it should be carefully evaluated on a case-by-case basis whether these excluded books would have significantly altered the overall perspective on the rest of the OT Bible, keeping in mind that the canonical books were selected based on established criteria to preserve the essential teachings of the Judaism faith.
If, by chance, you are referring to the apocryphal writings in the intertestamental period then you must know that the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh, does not include the apocryphal writings. These writings are considered part of the deuterocanonical books by Catholics and some other Christian denominations, but they were never included in the Jewish canon in the first place.
The apocryphal writings are a group of texts that were written during the intertestamental period, between the composition of the last book of the Hebrew Bible and the beginning of the New Testament. They are found in the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, which was used by some early Christian communities.
However, the Jewish community did not include these apocryphal writings in their official canon, considering them as distinct from the inspired books of the Hebrew Bible. The decision to include these texts in the Old Testament canon was made by certain Christian communities, most notably the Catholic Church, during the Council of Trent in the 16th century.
So, while the apocryphal writings are part of the Old Testament canon for some Christian denominations, they are not included in the Jewish Old Testament, which consists of the books of the Hebrew Bible recognized by the Jewish community.
You are correct, and I apologize for any confusion. There is a distinction between the apocryphal writings and the deuterocanonical books, which might have caused some confusion in my previous response.
The Jewish Bible, also known as the Tanakh, does not include the apocryphal writings. The apocryphal writings are a separate group of texts that are found in some Christian versions of the Old Testament, but they are not part of the Jewish canon.
However, the deuterocanonical books are a different category of writings. These are the same books that are referred to as apocryphal writings in some Christian traditions. These books include works like Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, and parts of Daniel and Esther.
Some Jewish communities did indeed consider the deuterocanonical books as part of their scriptures when the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, was being prepared around 400 BC. However, later on, these books were not included in the official Jewish canon, which consists of the Torah (Law), Nevi'im (Prophets), and Ketuvim (Writings).
So, to clarify, the Jewish Tanakh does not include the deuterocanonical or apocryphal books found in some Christian Old Testaments, while some early Jewish communities did recognize the deuterocanonical books as part of their scriptures during the time of the Septuagint's preparation. The distinction lies in which books were officially included in the respective canons of Judaism and Christianity.
Actually there were 4 sects of Jewish Rabbi at the time and the more powerful sect won the battle of what to include. The apocryphal texts are not completely written in greek, some were written in Hebrew
Listen to Clif High's take on religious texts:
https://clifhigh.substack.com/p/hidden-space-aliens
(Play at 1.5x speed.)
Give me the cliff notes, please.
Something tells me you have not read the removed books that still exist today…
What makes you think that?