Quite right. We'll never know. I have to discern by their fruits. Pence is a Paul Ryan, Robin Vos, Mitt Romney. No-name acolyte. All connected. Remember the secret meeting in Utah? Pence is most likely not a good guy. There's more about him and one of the forces behind the creation of DHS..... The RINOS were going to overthrow Trump's RNC win by not electing him as the RNC nomination. Recall Ted Cruz's ill-fated antics there? It was Manafort that knew the RNC playground and was able to maneuver and cut a deal with the establishment. The compromise was Pence. They saw the possibility of getting rid of Trump would get their boy in to the presidency. Manafort was also the central person that worked out a deal with Ronald Reagan by getting the establishment to agree to a Reagan-Bush ticket. Within a year, the attempt on Reagan's life was to get their boy into the POTUS position. It failed. If Manafort didn't get the compromise at the RNC convention with their man Pence, then the Ted Cruz's antics at the RNC might have succeeded. It is for this reason why the DS and weaponized DNC took revenge against Manafort and Roger Stone.