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ANOTHER SMOKING GUN: Maui Fire Breaks SCIENCE as we know it… (www.youtube.com)
posted 2 years ago by YeshuaSupreme 2 years ago by YeshuaSupreme +56 / -0
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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You act astounded about the behavior of molten metal. I can melt (e.g.) lead in a crucible and pour it on a driveway or garage floor and it will slither along before it solidifies. The behavior of the aluminum is not abnormal. The video is mostly repetitive nonsense by people who are ignorant of combustion temperatures and melting points. There was fuel in the car: gasoline and rubber...maybe some of the upholstery. So, don't imagine there was nothing to burn.

I don't buy into massive conspiracies unless there is some tangible evidence. Just assuming it as an omnibus explanation for facts you don't want to accept is a delusion.

You may have no idea of the laws of physics (and I think you don't) but I have worked with them for 50 years and they are (guess what?) self-enforcing. Woe betide anyone who thinks they are false or arbitrary. Saying something is beyond your understanding says more about you than about the world.

We don't know whether the Navy videos are truly something or an aberration of the optical system. (The shape of the supposed object is very similar to the kind of cusped aberration resulting from an oblique focal image. This would be like seeing a speck in your camera viewfinder, thinking it was an insect, and being amazed that no matter how hard you tried to follow it, it was constantly leading you.) There are better results from radar contacts, which have been written up in (e.g.) the Journal of Optics, back in the 1970s. Everybody seems to think that this material is "new" and "ground-breaking," but it is part of a vast body of observation that goes back to the 1940s. Nothing new to me, which is why I have no expectation of any revelations.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have 3 degrees in science and technology, a field in which I have practiced for 50 years, resulting in 9 patents (certifiable new ideas) and technical developments (DEWs) that people here opine about. I don't think that throwing that all away will be a path to enlightenment. Having an open mind does not mean having an empty mind.

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– Slyver 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

You may have no idea of the laws of physics (and I think you don't) but I have worked with them for 50 years and they are (guess what?) self-enforcing.

A law is a limit. A real limit is something that can never be done, not by anyone or anything ever. Presumably the Universe has such limits (Natural Law). But physics is just a model. "Laws of physics" are just the limits of the model. It says nothing about what the Universe itself can or can't do, or what something else can or can't do inside of it. For example, assuming the Big Bang is true (which I don't, but for arguments sake), from all observable evidence, the existence of the Universe itself is a violation of both CoE and CoM. And it has violated those "laws" on numerous occasions according to cosmological models (inflation, dark energy, etc.). People excuse those away as "space can do whatever it wants" but that is an argument from the model itself, against the evidence. Space is likely emergent from the same "stuff" as that which we call "particles" emerge from, so the argument really falls flat on all counts.

Woe betide anyone who thinks they are false or arbitrary.

I don't think they are "false," I just think they aren't proven true. Indeed, physics can't "prove" them because physics is always just a model by definition. The actual Universe is the only determinant of what the limits are, our physics is just useful. I don't think the laws of physics are arbitrary at all. On the contrary, our physic models are extremely good, and thus the limits that the models suggest are themselves extremely good. But that doesn't make them true, it just makes them useful.

If you believe the model is truth, you become incapable of seeing any evidence that doesn't fit the model. The truth is whatever it is. I don't proclaim to know it, but you seem to do so. That makes you blind to anything that doesn't fit your world view.

We don't know whether the Navy videos are truly something or an aberration of the optical system.

I agree. The evidence is not conclusive. I also have seen the other evidence you mention. The total evidence is not conclusive, but it doesn't have to be "conclusive" to be compelling. "Conclusive" and "compelling" are just thresholds that are different for everyone. Even when a thing is conclusive that doesn't make it true. It just means a person (or multiple people) believes it. If you are not compelled by the evidence that's fine, but many people are, because it is very compelling.

I don't think that throwing that all away will be a path to enlightenment. Having an open mind does not mean having an empty mind.

I never suggested throwing away your knowledge. I only suggested that you allow yourself to question it. You seem to hold too tightly to the models and your experience with them.

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– DeathRayDesigner 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I think you can't get past your own obsessions. I am an engineer and I look at physics and chemistry in terms of the reliability of the descriptions. When the laws appear to apply in all instances, that is why they are called "laws." When they don't, they are modified or supplanted. I'm pretty sure you know all this, but you just cave into the "we can never know" school of thought, which is useless. Would you bet your life on it? In my profession, we have to.

Even you don't "get" the evidence. It is not a matter of whether something is "conclusive" (of what?) or "compelling" (toward what?). It is a matter of "What is going on here?"

It seems like everyone who tells me to "open myself" operates with an idee fixe. I've had to think "outside the box" countless times, and reduce that to a design concept. Frankly, I think this admonition is a way to attain egalitarianism by the normalization of ignorance. All this "be open minded," and damn little "read a book and get wise." It doesn't take any effort to be open minded. It takes a lot of effort to learn and understand.

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