DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A DISCUSSION THREAD: THERE IS NO ENDORSEMENT OF ANY PARTICULAR ANSWER: WE ARE JUST DISCUSSING A VERY SENSITIVE TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO FINALLY BE CLARIFIED
Now with the disclaimer out of the way, so that hopefully this post doesn't get deleted, let's start the discussion.
Probably stepping on some toes here, but I feel it needs to be discussed at least. I recently FINALLY got around to watching Europa, the last battle. The big 12+ Hour Documentary that EVERYONE in the alt media sphere of influence says you should watch. Took me a while, but I finally got through it all. And I decided that it was finally time to bring this topic up.
Were the actual German Nazi Party, "the bad guys" or were they simply "the losers with good intentions" that were forced to be scape goats.
I'm not talking about the "accepted narrative" about how all nazi's were evil racist genocidal bastards. I'm putting out the question, what is the generally accepted "truth", among those in our sphere of influence when it comes to the German Nazi's?
The reason I'm putting this question out there, is because Q suggests that NWO, doesn't stand for "New World Order", but rather "Nazi World Order".
So obviously there are at least SOME bad "nazis". But at the same time, there is SO MUCH evidence, that suggests that the Nazis weren't actually the bad guys, and that Germany as a whole was used as a scapegoat for both World Wars. In WW II in particular because they did what Gaddafi tried to do and failed. Create a debt free, interest free currency based economy without a central bank.
There's a reason we're saving Israel for last.
I've watched plenty of these documentaries before. And I've always just assumed that there was both good and bad in the Nazi party, and hitler may or may not have been a puppet meant to "lift germany up before letting them fall back down". But watching Europa has me feeling a bit different.
I've never seen a documentary THIS detailed before, especially when it comes to Weimar and Nazi Germany. I know I'm risking getting crapped on and this post deleted in saying this, but honestly, the Weimar-Nazi Germany transformation is almost identical to what we in the United States, and most other western nations are going through.
Pre Weimar, Germany was a devout Christian nation with strong moral fiber, a vibrant economy, and prosperous people with wealth spread, not exactly evenly (they did have rich people), but it wasn't like it is today where .01% control 99% of the wealth.
Weimar Germany was economically depressed to the point of mass starvation, sexual deviancy was not only accepted, it was encouraged. People really don't understand how bad the deviancy was in Weimar Germany. One of the "most popular" sex tourism activities in Berlin was to have sex with an underaged animal, usually a sheep, before having it's throat slit before the climax so as to experience all three of the great taboos at once (Pedophilia, Necrophilia, and Bestiality). Transgenderism and homosexuality were also wide spread, as was basically every other form of degeneracy. Yes, including pedophilia.
Weimar Germany, is what they want for all of us, and we're only a few steps away from it.
Nazi Germany (before WW II), was easily the most vibrant economy on the planet (second only to the US at the time). Unemployment was under 2%, people had government required vacations multiple times a year. Home ownership was over 80% (an incredible feat if you know anything about housing statistics), and those who were still renting had their rent capped at 1/8 of their income. Hundreds of thousands of homes were built and for all intents and purposes given away to young families (young families had unreal mortgage treatments where they got a home from the government for pennies on the dollar).
Likewise, every single family was entitled to several thousand in no interest loans from the government to help buy anything related to child rearing, and there was even a method to void the loan so you didn't owe anything or have to pay it back. On top of this, taxation was based on the size of the family, as well as the income. The more Children you had, the less taxes you had to pay. And at 4+ Children, you were exempt from all taxes except sales taxes. Meaning no property taxes, income taxes, etc. for the rest of your life.
Churches were built and religion saw a revival like nothing else seen anywhere other than the United States. Christianity went from being a minority, to 90% of the population being Christian again after decades of religious and moral decay.
Contrary to modern belief, hitler and the nazis also didn't ban guns. The weimar government did. Hitler reversed that and created "gun clubs" for Germans to both own and practice with firearms.
The only "book burning" that ever took place, was when all of the sexual and pornographic "literature and research" from the degenerate universities was burned by the students.
And they did all of this, through the issuance of currency that was debt free, interest free, and with ZERO gold.
Not trying to offend or sound like a MSM talking head, but honestly. This type of stuff sounds like Gadaffi, or Orben....Dare I say, Trump? The goals, methodology, and promises are nearly the same, if not identical.
And this is just what I can remember off the top of my head.
Now for the flip side.
First and foremost, Ukraine. I don't think I need to say much else, but the Ukrainian Nazi remanent, are obviously not "good people". In fact, I'd say they're some of the most evil on the planet. They're essentially what we think of when we think of the typical nazi, as presented by most historical references.
Then there's the problem of the Holocaust. I'm not going to say it was fake or not. There's evidence both ways, but the fact remains, that it's one of those discrepancies that makes this a complicated and charged subject matter to discuss.
Finally, there's the fact that most of us believe that most of our own evil "American" bastards are of Nazi origin. HW Bush being the prime example, most go for when talking about the subject.
So what's the general consensus? For me personally, I think that the Nazi's WERE good people for the most part, and after watching Euorpa, I FIRMLY believe that most of the west, but especially the United States, will follow the Weimar-Nazi Germany transition model in the post cabal world.
Can you imagine a world (or at least a USA) in 5-ish years, where most people are devout Christians, sexual and moral deviancy is eliminated, traditional morals and values are the new norm, our currency is not just worth "something" but goes so far that we can afford to live a lifestyle like our forefathers did in the 20s and 30s? Where taxes are all but gone because most people are having large families again, thus avoiding the population collapse and eliminating any argument for immigration?
Honestly, it's almost unreal to think about, but that's basically what we've been promised by Q, Trump, etc. Maybe not verbatim, but that's what most of us have taken their various promises to mean.
But despite my belief that all of that is true and/or will happen, I will concede. That I don't think ALL nazis were good. Obviously there were some bad apples, that mostly ended up over here in the USA. So just like everything else, I believe they had good and bad, but were mostly good. And that they were used as a scape goat for WW II to further the cabals goals, and establish the creation of Israel.
TLDR: There were good AND bad nazi's but they were mostly good, and gave the world a blueprint for the recovery of a western nation from the moral, social, and economic degradation the cabal forced onto them. Something I believe most western nations will soon copy
Feel free to discuss below.
Just read. "Mein Kampf" and Hitler's second book seem to be seldom read, but reading them gives interesting insight into his personality and long-term vision. None of which has much to do with Christianity, by the way. His regard for Christianity was strictly as a useful means to condition popular psychology. At one point, he speculated that Islam might have been a better religion for a fighting people. At least Muslims hated the right people (Jews).
The Germany of that day was imbued with Darwinism and the logic of mercy killing and eugenics, which was fully reflected in Nazi policies toward medical care and family life. Not to mention toward the Jews, the Gypsies, and the physically and mentally infirm.
It was also a time when the public was confronted with a choice between international communism (reflected in the Weimar revolution) and national socialism (the Nazi Party). Everyone was afflicted with horror of Boshevism as seen from what happened in Russia, and the Nazis were the only party opposed to it (from considerations purely of power politics).
The picture is clouded by the fact that once the Nazi Party came into power, it essentially made membership mandatory for everyone, through requirements that no one could ply a trade without being a member of the Nazi party. All labor unions were folded into the Party structure. So, everyone became a Party member, and many did so out of survival pragmatism, not conviction. Thus, in post-war times, to call a person a "Nazi" had about as much meaning as calling them a "German," and that seemed to be a comfortable bigotry for scores of years. (I am a quarter German, and I noticed the anti-German bigotry when I was growing up.)
But the Nazi reich also engendered projects and agencies that were unremittingly evil, the Final Solution and the SS. People who volunteered for service in the SS either desired the power to act without hindrance, or were simply moral vacuums (or both). Some people were dragooned into the SS in order to make them subservient to Heinrich Himmler, who had his own ideas about how the world should be arranged. They had no choice in the matter, but no one was stupid enough to think they could resist and live. Everyone around Hitler reacted toward Himmler like he was radioactive and not safe to be around (they were correct).
There is a remarkable history of Hitler's ascent to power by Konrad Heiden, "The Fuhrer" (1944). He documents the chaotic trajectory that was taken and the flukes of fortune that Hitler rode to power.
There was nothing good in the Nazi ideology. Whatever good there was, came from Germans being good Germans---not from Nazis being true Nazis. It swept up some brilliant individuals, but they were still human beings, and mainly reflective of the high intellectual level...and survival psychology...that prevailed in the Germany of the day. Impressive things were done all around. Impressive achievements...and impressive devastation.
Those who want to find something inherently good in Nazism are simply trying to put a dress over their abiding anti-Semitism. If you agree with Hitler about the Jews, then that is all there is for you---and that is all that you are. It is disgusting to see such sympathies in this venue. It finds imaginary ways to deny the mass murders committed, either domestically or through wars of conquest. This is a squeamishness that a true Nazi would scorn. The SS was proud of what it did. Any recanting to post-war tribunals was simple cravenness. The true believers took poison.