Not sure How you can be so confident unless you are privy to the daily minutiae of all of congress's day.
With everything that has happened, I don't think it unreasonable to estimate the possibility of it happening.
If, as most everyone on this board believes, the WH are in control, it would not be a leap to conclude that levers of control on the RINOs couldn't be moved.
Likewise, those who are blackmailed vs. Those who are voluntarily part of team evil quite conceivably could have different motivations which could be ... addressed
I just see all the obstacles against it, along with the meager benefits it would reward.
Just because the WHs are in control doesn't mean that it's the WHs plan to put Trump in as SOH.
It just makes zero sense to do this. The only reason why it's even being mentioned is because of the segment of the population here that likes to verbally fantasize about using this way to become President again.
They think that this will fulfill his "back in 5 months" (paraphrasing here) statement.
But getting himself voted in as SOH, getting Biden AND Harris removed somehow (seeing as how the Senate would be the ones to vote to remove them via impeachment and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, so not likely that will happen) and then getting himself placed as President would take MUCH longer than 5 months. Remember how long it Trump's impeachment trial took? Much longer than 5 months.
And if that all miraculously (because it would take several miracles) happens before the 2024 election, what happens? He only has a few months as President before the new President is elected. So he just traded a few months as President vs the 4 years he would have gotten when elected.
And if he doesn't take over as President and stays SOH, I don't even know if the SOH can campaign for President while being Speaker, constitutionally speaking. But even if they can, Trump is going to get blamed for all the fuck ups the House does while he's Speaker that it can't help but hurt his campaign. And that jeopardizes him winning 2024.
And if Biden and Harris are going to be removed as president and VP some other way, that will take just as long if not longer than impeachments. Haven't you ever paid attention to Congressional dealings before? They take forever to do nothing.
It's much simpler, and much faster, and much likelier that he will become President by winning the 2024 election. He can't campaign effectively while doing piddly-ass SOH stuff.
And what happens if he becomes SOH and the House continues with their habit of doing jack shit? Who gets the blame when the House fucks up? The SOH. Why bother with that nonsense?
The ONLY reason I see people going all-in on the SOH scenario is because they secretly believe Trump won't win 2024. That's it.
"Just because the WHs are in control doesn't mean that it's the WHs plan to put Trump in as SOH."
Agreed.
"It just makes zero sense to do this. The only reason why it's even being mentioned is because of the segment of the population here that likes to verbally fantasize about using this way to become President again."
Disagree, there is several reasons to want this, the least of which is a stick in the eye to Team Evil. At best is a quicker jump back in as president. Likely? No. But no chance? Hold your sweet bippy horses there, many people smarter than you or I have layed out the possibilities and there is a real path whether you want to admit it or not. I wouldn't touch the question if it was just butterflies and rainbows fantasy.
"They think that this will fulfill his "back in 5 months" (paraphrasing here) statement."
IIRC it was not framed like that, and alternate interpretations included securing the Republican nomination, which was in 5 mos. at the time.
The SoH is another interpretation.
"But getting himself voted in as SOH, getting Biden AND Harris removed somehow (seeing as how the Senate would be the ones to vote to remove them via impeachment and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, so not likely that will happen) and then getting himself placed as President would take MUCH longer than 5 months."
Again, disagree. When congress wants to move, it can get stuff done in hours or days.
Again, Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Rolling it out as a possibility at this point is just foolishness.
"He only has a few months as President before the new President is elected. So he just traded a few months as President vs the 4 years he would have gotten when elected."
I admit I haven't researched it, but there are several provisions where serving as president does not count as a term. I believe IIRC this is one of them. I could be wrong, have to look it up.
"And if he doesn't take over as President and stays SOH...."
I don't believe he would take SOTH if it did not lead to the presidency, or at the very least the successful recovery of the nation.
"And if Biden and Harris are going to be removed as president and VP some other way, that will take just as long if not longer than impeachments. Haven't you ever paid attention to Congressional dealings before? They take forever to do nothing."
Again, you are talking about historical precedent. What in your mind tells you this time in our lives has been normal?
"It's much simpler, and much faster, and much likelier that he will become President by winning the 2024 election. "
Agreed.
"He can't campaign effectively while doing piddly-ass SOH stuff."
Oh so disagree. SOOO disagree. CSPAN would be a top watched channel just for the excitement.
"And what happens if he becomes SOH and the House continues with their habit of doing jack shit?"
See above, I don't believe he would do speaker if that was all that would happen. Trump doesn't like being bogged down, and the plan wouldn't do it I it means stopping.
"The ONLY reason I see people going all-in on the SOH scenario is because they secretly believe Trump won't win 2024. That's it."
Ok, tell you what. When all that happens and proves me wrong, come find me and I'll kiss your ass and admit I was wrong and you were right and that I should have never doubted you.
Until that glorious moment arrives, how bout we live in reality as it is and not act as if this is a done deal?
Because we all know that when none of this happens, everyone will conveniently forget about it and act like none of this silliness ever happened.
Just like how everyone that was having kittens about October 4th and the EMS signal have gone radio silence.
So until it actually happens, let's not go overboard apeshit with it like is the tendency, and make us all look like fools to the normies we're supposed to be redpilling. Because normies remember this stuff and use it as yet another strike against us.
It's almost impossible to red pill people who think we're gullible, crazy idiots when we CONSTANTLY put out stuff like this that never happens.
And guess what, all this has the same chance of happening if we talk about it or not.
So hell, maybe keep some things close to the vest and quiet for once until it happens.
That's if the Republicans vote all the same. They didn't all vote to get rid of McCarthy.
It's simply not going to happen, no matter how much people fantasize about it.
Not sure How you can be so confident unless you are privy to the daily minutiae of all of congress's day.
With everything that has happened, I don't think it unreasonable to estimate the possibility of it happening.
If, as most everyone on this board believes, the WH are in control, it would not be a leap to conclude that levers of control on the RINOs couldn't be moved.
Likewise, those who are blackmailed vs. Those who are voluntarily part of team evil quite conceivably could have different motivations which could be ... addressed
I just see all the obstacles against it, along with the meager benefits it would reward.
Just because the WHs are in control doesn't mean that it's the WHs plan to put Trump in as SOH.
It just makes zero sense to do this. The only reason why it's even being mentioned is because of the segment of the population here that likes to verbally fantasize about using this way to become President again.
They think that this will fulfill his "back in 5 months" (paraphrasing here) statement.
But getting himself voted in as SOH, getting Biden AND Harris removed somehow (seeing as how the Senate would be the ones to vote to remove them via impeachment and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, so not likely that will happen) and then getting himself placed as President would take MUCH longer than 5 months. Remember how long it Trump's impeachment trial took? Much longer than 5 months.
And if that all miraculously (because it would take several miracles) happens before the 2024 election, what happens? He only has a few months as President before the new President is elected. So he just traded a few months as President vs the 4 years he would have gotten when elected.
And if he doesn't take over as President and stays SOH, I don't even know if the SOH can campaign for President while being Speaker, constitutionally speaking. But even if they can, Trump is going to get blamed for all the fuck ups the House does while he's Speaker that it can't help but hurt his campaign. And that jeopardizes him winning 2024.
And if Biden and Harris are going to be removed as president and VP some other way, that will take just as long if not longer than impeachments. Haven't you ever paid attention to Congressional dealings before? They take forever to do nothing.
It's much simpler, and much faster, and much likelier that he will become President by winning the 2024 election. He can't campaign effectively while doing piddly-ass SOH stuff.
And what happens if he becomes SOH and the House continues with their habit of doing jack shit? Who gets the blame when the House fucks up? The SOH. Why bother with that nonsense?
The ONLY reason I see people going all-in on the SOH scenario is because they secretly believe Trump won't win 2024. That's it.
Wow, ok.
"Just because the WHs are in control doesn't mean that it's the WHs plan to put Trump in as SOH."
Agreed.
"It just makes zero sense to do this. The only reason why it's even being mentioned is because of the segment of the population here that likes to verbally fantasize about using this way to become President again."
Disagree, there is several reasons to want this, the least of which is a stick in the eye to Team Evil. At best is a quicker jump back in as president. Likely? No. But no chance? Hold your sweet bippy horses there, many people smarter than you or I have layed out the possibilities and there is a real path whether you want to admit it or not. I wouldn't touch the question if it was just butterflies and rainbows fantasy.
"They think that this will fulfill his "back in 5 months" (paraphrasing here) statement."
IIRC it was not framed like that, and alternate interpretations included securing the Republican nomination, which was in 5 mos. at the time.
The SoH is another interpretation.
"But getting himself voted in as SOH, getting Biden AND Harris removed somehow (seeing as how the Senate would be the ones to vote to remove them via impeachment and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats, so not likely that will happen) and then getting himself placed as President would take MUCH longer than 5 months."
Again, disagree. When congress wants to move, it can get stuff done in hours or days. Again, Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. Rolling it out as a possibility at this point is just foolishness.
"He only has a few months as President before the new President is elected. So he just traded a few months as President vs the 4 years he would have gotten when elected."
I admit I haven't researched it, but there are several provisions where serving as president does not count as a term. I believe IIRC this is one of them. I could be wrong, have to look it up.
"And if he doesn't take over as President and stays SOH...."
I don't believe he would take SOTH if it did not lead to the presidency, or at the very least the successful recovery of the nation.
"And if Biden and Harris are going to be removed as president and VP some other way, that will take just as long if not longer than impeachments. Haven't you ever paid attention to Congressional dealings before? They take forever to do nothing."
Again, you are talking about historical precedent. What in your mind tells you this time in our lives has been normal?
"It's much simpler, and much faster, and much likelier that he will become President by winning the 2024 election. "
Agreed.
"He can't campaign effectively while doing piddly-ass SOH stuff."
Oh so disagree. SOOO disagree. CSPAN would be a top watched channel just for the excitement.
"And what happens if he becomes SOH and the House continues with their habit of doing jack shit?"
See above, I don't believe he would do speaker if that was all that would happen. Trump doesn't like being bogged down, and the plan wouldn't do it I it means stopping.
"The ONLY reason I see people going all-in on the SOH scenario is because they secretly believe Trump won't win 2024. That's it."
Absolute glowie statement.
Ok, tell you what. When all that happens and proves me wrong, come find me and I'll kiss your ass and admit I was wrong and you were right and that I should have never doubted you.
Until that glorious moment arrives, how bout we live in reality as it is and not act as if this is a done deal?
Because we all know that when none of this happens, everyone will conveniently forget about it and act like none of this silliness ever happened.
Just like how everyone that was having kittens about October 4th and the EMS signal have gone radio silence.
So until it actually happens, let's not go overboard apeshit with it like is the tendency, and make us all look like fools to the normies we're supposed to be redpilling. Because normies remember this stuff and use it as yet another strike against us.
It's almost impossible to red pill people who think we're gullible, crazy idiots when we CONSTANTLY put out stuff like this that never happens.
And guess what, all this has the same chance of happening if we talk about it or not.
So hell, maybe keep some things close to the vest and quiet for once until it happens.