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Adam and Eve had a fallen nature when their children were born thus their children have a fallen nature; they were dead in transgression and needed a savior.
My fren we all do not come out of babylon nor are we all in babylon; that is not where our sinful disposition comes from or resides in if that's what you were insinuating.
Let's look at the three angel's message now:
Babylon is the system selling wine full of fornication - apostacy leading those to satanic worship whether they know it or not. The people in babylon are the people drinking its wine.
Remember that wine is doctrine:
Babylon is a typology that represents apostates against God, as the physical babylon has already been destroyed to never be rebuilt.
The message of the second angel strengthens the first message and adds depth to the extent of the rot of corruption, revealing the corruptions that have entered the churches between the first and second angel. These two messages join together in the third angel's message as a loud cry to separate the people from this rotted church.
The babylonian system has permeated the entire world, and that is what you may be referring to, but it will die by fire (notice, not stoning, but fire - who was punished by fire? the prostitute - the idolatrous - as the woman is the church):
And the drinkers of her wine (false doctrine) will sorrow for loss, a sinful sorrow leading to their death, and not repentance.
I hope I understood you correctly and responded properly.
Let me also share some scripture regarding the "sealed" verse you quoted.
"Here is the patience of the saints". We are to think and act accordingly with the commandments and the faith of, notice of and not in, Jesus, in our minds and our actions. Having faith in Jesus reads as if the self has faith, but having the faith of Jesus is to have His faith - the faith that He, as "God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16), had as the Son.
Wow, what a powerful message!
This is a good article on how dispensationalism effects the interpretation of the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Let me know what you think.
http://ww1.antiochian.org/Orthodox_Church_Who_What_Where_Why/Who_Is_The_New_Israel.htm
Amen friend.
I do understand your understanding of Revelation.
Revelation is not set in physical time. Typology is heavily used in Revelation. Apocalyptic language is also used.
Babylon is not set in time, it has been the city of the devil since the fall of man.
New Jerusalem is not set in time either, it has been the city of God typed in old Jerusalem and presently coming down from heaven. New Jerusalem is a heaven mindset people, we are the servants of God right now in the midst of Babylon.
We all come out of Babylon and we all come into new Jerusalem.
The part that dispensationalists miss is the throne of God. Dispensationalism makes the book of Revelation physical and sets the book in physical time.
Setting the book of Revelation in physical time is the error that has plagues the understanding of the book since Dispensationalism arose in Christian theology.
The mark of Babylon is 666 it is in the mind, we all had the Babylon mind before we were sealed by Jesus Christ in our foreheads with the Father’s name that is realized in the new birth and the Holy Spirit that we've recieved.
Babylon is the city of Adamic man, Adamic man's life is lived out by the babylon mind, the Babylon mind is the carnal mind of Romans 8.
This short essay about the throne of God will explain it:
https://communities.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist/p/17rSsbG62E/the-power-source-of-the-christia/c
Angels are messengers of a particular logos(word), they are not physical beings, they are typed(typology) just as man is typed(typology).
The measage of this angel is the measage and song of the spiritual order of the 144,000.
Babylon is fallen fallen. Babylon has always been fallen, the messengers speak of the falleness of Babylon to the those still in the Babylon mind.
Chapter 17 starts the explanation of the judgment of Babylon. Chapter 17, 18, and 19 are all about understanding the judgment of Babylon.
The saints judge Babylon.
That is a type of Jesus Christ, the corporate body of Christ, New Jerusalem. The earth is a type of Babylon. We are the great light as Jesus Christ has magnified himself in us.
We have come out of Babylon and we minister to Babylon as priests from the kingdom of God.
Priests in the world we are:
https://communities.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist/p/17rSVCCwHo/priests-/c
The Babylon mind is manifest in the physical world for all to see, just as the Christ mind in manifest through the church for all to see.
Revelation 14 is the triumphant 144,000, their measage is always victory, they work with those that still have the mark, the Babylon mind.
This is the patience and faith of the saints. Notice the fire(God's presence) and brimstone(purification) is in the presence of the Lamb and His holy messengers. We are the holy messengers.
Forever and ever means in all ages, the Revelation of Jesus Christ is not set in physical time.
There is a torment going on for those that are still in the Babylon mind. The priests of God are involved with them, we experience the torment with them, but not as them.
We all come out of Babylon.
Where We Go One We Go All
Where We've Been Individually We've Been All.