Fair enough. Those were hurried links and not the most indicative. There does seem to be a concerted campaign to split the medical freedom movement - no doubt some deliberately engineered as part of smear / discredit ops - with plenty obfuscation as to who is on Team Truth or Team Evil. And Crawford and others are emerging to call into question all the counter-narratives being touted by so-called truthers and medical freedom advocates. Whether they do so from a place of genuineness and honesty, or as part of a wider double or treble agent chaos / disinfo strategy that aims to take down the counter-narratives, time will tell.
Here is Crawford on Kirsch and Malone. He comments on many more, most of whom he knows personally - a recent post from Notes about Peter McCullough, for example: “I knew he’d been bought off when he started a foundation”.
“In case you're wondering, Kirsch's connection to DARPA is via Douglas Engelbart, who just so happens to be the creator of the internet and also…the mouse. Incidentally, Engelbart was ex-Navy intelligence at the time. Anyone else wonder if Kirsch just sort of got the idea for the optical mouse through that guy? And then made his millions selling it to Bill Gates? Never mind.
Kirsch's COVID-19 Early Treatment Foundation also funded multiple studies that explicitly or otherwise tested remdesivir—one of which looks to have hidden safety signals, intentionally or otherwise.
Malone was part of the DOMANE program—which I believe most likely involves pretend computer code—that just happened to pull remdesivir out of the great hat of medicines (and "medicines") to use on COVID-19 patients, and otherwise soaked up resources for testing on therapeutics not named "ivermectin" or "hydroxychloroquine". And that wraps right back around to Kirsch, who also helped fund the absurd Boulware trials on hydroxychloroquine at the University of Minnesota, which failed to mention Boulware's conflict of interest having worked for remdesivir producer Gilead. One has to wonder if RFK Jr. fully understands the crowd that he has around him.”
A substacker called Charles Wright’s Notes and responses on articles written by various Substackers also go after the same folks. Here he is this week calling out Steve Kirsch for his recent “you can sue Pfizer” announcement…
I don’t believe all that’s being presented in this strategy but look closely and there are certainly some interesting nuggets to be explored for anyone, like me, keen to determine who is ultimately genuine or who is controlled, regardless of how on point the messaging is.
Dude, Kirsch was part of the machine and he has never hidden it. Infact, that is what gives him so much credibility.
Same repeat of the smear jobs against Malone - who was also very much part of the machine, and was always public about it.
One thing I can tell you - we have a LONG way to go before medical research can be cleaned up and we know whats true and whats not. This means all scientific voices that comes with their own backing data is necessary to be heard, and people need to be able to listen to what you call "chaos agents", because we have to take science back to basics - and this is what true freedom sounds like.
Just like the chaos in the House for the past few weeks.
This kind of chaos is good. It is only bad for those who are looking to find people to believe in, rather than looking for information to analyze.
Good points. I hear you. I am doing the information analysing, but rather than looking for people to believe in, it’s more about people to trust. The veracity and provenance of the information is wound up with the motives and characters of the messengers, whether I like it or not. Either they are good people trying to achieve good ends amid a maelstrom of chaos and ambiguity, or they are dark triads doing it all for shits, giggles and kicks.
Science is zero-trust. We have been brainwashed over the decades into "trusting the experts", but science is a process of learning knowledge that does not depend on the people, but only about process.
No one ever needs to trust Steve Kirsch or Malone. All we need to do is verify their claims. If its based on data, verify the data for yourself. If its based on analysis, do your own analysis and verify. If its based on proprietary information only they have access to, then withhold your judgement and push for public release of that proprietary information.
Everything else about these people is irrelevant.
When I hear talk about "Chaos agent" etc, what I am really hearing is that the people who have been cosy in the captured scientific system are starting to panic that they can no longer control narratives.
All those links and nothing of substance with respect to Steve Kirsch, except:
Which means nothing.
Repost this when you have more information as to what intentional lies Kirsch is spreading, OR actual negative outcome fomented by him.
Fair enough. Those were hurried links and not the most indicative. There does seem to be a concerted campaign to split the medical freedom movement - no doubt some deliberately engineered as part of smear / discredit ops - with plenty obfuscation as to who is on Team Truth or Team Evil. And Crawford and others are emerging to call into question all the counter-narratives being touted by so-called truthers and medical freedom advocates. Whether they do so from a place of genuineness and honesty, or as part of a wider double or treble agent chaos / disinfo strategy that aims to take down the counter-narratives, time will tell.
Here is Crawford on Kirsch and Malone. He comments on many more, most of whom he knows personally - a recent post from Notes about Peter McCullough, for example: “I knew he’d been bought off when he started a foundation”.
“In case you're wondering, Kirsch's connection to DARPA is via Douglas Engelbart, who just so happens to be the creator of the internet and also…the mouse. Incidentally, Engelbart was ex-Navy intelligence at the time. Anyone else wonder if Kirsch just sort of got the idea for the optical mouse through that guy? And then made his millions selling it to Bill Gates? Never mind. Kirsch's COVID-19 Early Treatment Foundation also funded multiple studies that explicitly or otherwise tested remdesivir—one of which looks to have hidden safety signals, intentionally or otherwise. Malone was part of the DOMANE program—which I believe most likely involves pretend computer code—that just happened to pull remdesivir out of the great hat of medicines (and "medicines") to use on COVID-19 patients, and otherwise soaked up resources for testing on therapeutics not named "ivermectin" or "hydroxychloroquine". And that wraps right back around to Kirsch, who also helped fund the absurd Boulware trials on hydroxychloroquine at the University of Minnesota, which failed to mention Boulware's conflict of interest having worked for remdesivir producer Gilead. One has to wonder if RFK Jr. fully understands the crowd that he has around him.”
Source: https://open.substack.com/pub/roundingtheearth/p/more-on-marrazzo-callahan-malone?r=pezuu&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
A substacker called Charles Wright’s Notes and responses on articles written by various Substackers also go after the same folks. Here he is this week calling out Steve Kirsch for his recent “you can sue Pfizer” announcement…
https://open.substack.com/pub/charleswright1/p/pfizer-was-always-liable-for-injury?r=pezuu&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
And this has to be the most comprehensive list yet. Everyone is here - RFK Jr, Yeadon, Martin, Trump, Kory, Ivermectin…
https://open.substack.com/pub/dpl003/p/the-gatekeepers-club?r=pezuu&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
I don’t believe all that’s being presented in this strategy but look closely and there are certainly some interesting nuggets to be explored for anyone, like me, keen to determine who is ultimately genuine or who is controlled, regardless of how on point the messaging is.
Dude, Kirsch was part of the machine and he has never hidden it. Infact, that is what gives him so much credibility.
Same repeat of the smear jobs against Malone - who was also very much part of the machine, and was always public about it.
One thing I can tell you - we have a LONG way to go before medical research can be cleaned up and we know whats true and whats not. This means all scientific voices that comes with their own backing data is necessary to be heard, and people need to be able to listen to what you call "chaos agents", because we have to take science back to basics - and this is what true freedom sounds like.
Just like the chaos in the House for the past few weeks.
This kind of chaos is good. It is only bad for those who are looking to find people to believe in, rather than looking for information to analyze.
Good points. I hear you. I am doing the information analysing, but rather than looking for people to believe in, it’s more about people to trust. The veracity and provenance of the information is wound up with the motives and characters of the messengers, whether I like it or not. Either they are good people trying to achieve good ends amid a maelstrom of chaos and ambiguity, or they are dark triads doing it all for shits, giggles and kicks.
Science is zero-trust. We have been brainwashed over the decades into "trusting the experts", but science is a process of learning knowledge that does not depend on the people, but only about process.
No one ever needs to trust Steve Kirsch or Malone. All we need to do is verify their claims. If its based on data, verify the data for yourself. If its based on analysis, do your own analysis and verify. If its based on proprietary information only they have access to, then withhold your judgement and push for public release of that proprietary information.
Everything else about these people is irrelevant.
When I hear talk about "Chaos agent" etc, what I am really hearing is that the people who have been cosy in the captured scientific system are starting to panic that they can no longer control narratives.