Nope, authority in the body of believers not governments. U have wrongly divided the Word. God didn't ordain pedophiles and Liars and our government is full of them of all persuasions. Don't buy this bullshit. No man owes any secular government allegience. You need to read that Bible again and rightly divide it. Sweet words to entice the feel gooders. Don't buy it. He may make some good secular moves but ill never accuse God of giving us a shitty gift. Politicians are shitty gifts and they aren't the leaders of the spiritual body of Christ. Hogwash
God ordained wicked kings as much as he ordained the kings that honored Him (imperfect as they were in the kingdoms of the North and the South—Israel and Judah/Jerusalem). Likewise He raised up Pharaoh and many other wicked yet powerful people in various positions of leadership in history for His own glory (cf. Romans 9:17-23).
In the context of contemporary leadership from the national, to federal, to state and local levels, God is likewise in control of putting people where He has predetermined them to be. If we say this is not true, then, broadly, we would have no basis for believing God is in control of what leads and concludes in the Tribulation (and great Tribulation).
Otherwise, God simply “lucked out” that human beings, in all their power and authority and actions taken within the framework of their governments and militaries etc. “just so happened” to interrelate and interweave and unfold in the precise way that resulted in what God said would happen in Scripture regarding the end of the age.
God even ordained the leadership in Israel and Rome which culminated in the arrest and death of Israel’s Messiah.
My point is this:
The concept of God ordaining people who will do both moral and immoral things with their positions of power and authority is not a theological breach of protocol from any era or phase of history from ancient days to our current day.
God Ordaining people according to His predetermined plan for Congress (both wicked and righteous/gospel believers and gospels deniers) in the United States is no different than any other method of fulfilling His will for a nation and people. There are inherent differences between ordaining and anointing (broadly, all are ordained but not all are specially anointed and by the Spirit), but I think your overall premise for rejecting Mike Johnson’s statement on God placing people into government/leadership is flawed and it greatly reduces both God’s sovereignty and His will (both decretive and preceptive, respectively).
I definitely see your point. I'm wondering though, at this point in humanities evolution we seem to need some type of government. So as diligent people we study the candidates and vote and trust the politician will keep their word, morality and honesty. That trust is usually broken.
So here we are hoping the Congress will go our way. We wait with bated breath for the 2024 elections to put the 1 guy in office we put our unwavering faith in to right this ship. My point is that we have to go through government (politicians) to have the country we want. Any other way at this point would be anarchy and we just aren't there yet as a species I don't think. Self governance is a beautiful ideal to reach for and in the meantime restore the government to by and for the people. Is it possible? That's what we are all excited to see.
Nope, authority in the body of believers not governments. U have wrongly divided the Word. God didn't ordain pedophiles and Liars and our government is full of them of all persuasions. Don't buy this bullshit. No man owes any secular government allegience. You need to read that Bible again and rightly divide it. Sweet words to entice the feel gooders. Don't buy it. He may make some good secular moves but ill never accuse God of giving us a shitty gift. Politicians are shitty gifts and they aren't the leaders of the spiritual body of Christ. Hogwash
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God ordained wicked kings as much as he ordained the kings that honored Him (imperfect as they were in the kingdoms of the North and the South—Israel and Judah/Jerusalem). Likewise He raised up Pharaoh and many other wicked yet powerful people in various positions of leadership in history for His own glory (cf. Romans 9:17-23).
In the context of contemporary leadership from the national, to federal, to state and local levels, God is likewise in control of putting people where He has predetermined them to be. If we say this is not true, then, broadly, we would have no basis for believing God is in control of what leads and concludes in the Tribulation (and great Tribulation).
Otherwise, God simply “lucked out” that human beings, in all their power and authority and actions taken within the framework of their governments and militaries etc. “just so happened” to interrelate and interweave and unfold in the precise way that resulted in what God said would happen in Scripture regarding the end of the age.
God even ordained the leadership in Israel and Rome which culminated in the arrest and death of Israel’s Messiah.
My point is this:
The concept of God ordaining people who will do both moral and immoral things with their positions of power and authority is not a theological breach of protocol from any era or phase of history from ancient days to our current day.
God Ordaining people according to His predetermined plan for Congress (both wicked and righteous/gospel believers and gospels deniers) in the United States is no different than any other method of fulfilling His will for a nation and people. There are inherent differences between ordaining and anointing (broadly, all are ordained but not all are specially anointed and by the Spirit), but I think your overall premise for rejecting Mike Johnson’s statement on God placing people into government/leadership is flawed and it greatly reduces both God’s sovereignty and His will (both decretive and preceptive, respectively).
I definitely see your point. I'm wondering though, at this point in humanities evolution we seem to need some type of government. So as diligent people we study the candidates and vote and trust the politician will keep their word, morality and honesty. That trust is usually broken.
So here we are hoping the Congress will go our way. We wait with bated breath for the 2024 elections to put the 1 guy in office we put our unwavering faith in to right this ship. My point is that we have to go through government (politicians) to have the country we want. Any other way at this point would be anarchy and we just aren't there yet as a species I don't think. Self governance is a beautiful ideal to reach for and in the meantime restore the government to by and for the people. Is it possible? That's what we are all excited to see.