Wait so you're saying "Sola Scriptura" which means our standards should come from scripture alone...... isn't in the Bible which means you are advocating that my standard should only come from scripture? That's a long way around of saying you agree with me.... or you're a hypocrite.
"The Bible" isn't in the Bible either bud. Neither is the trinity, and yet we can rub a couple of brain cells together and understand it.
All the people who rubbed those brain cells together were Catholics. As I said, every foundational belief of Christianity comes from Catholics.
No, not really. The Bible does not tell us the correct way to view the Bible, so Sola Scriptura is false, is what I'm saying. My comment here was meant as a semi-comprehensive defense of the Church. My ultimate point is that the authority of the Church is what validates the Bible. The Church must have authority for the Bible to have authority.
Further, to just assume the Bible is all we should look to for authority, is unproven. It requires deeper examination than just assuming it is the default position unless proven otherwise.
I mean, who are we to decide how things should be and which things require evidence versus which things are assumed to be the case in lieu of evidence? That's for God to decide. And the fact the Bible doesn't say anything on itself is to me simply more evidence that the verification of the Bible is not solely contained in the Bible. If Sola Scriptura is correct, it would make an awful lot of sense to put everything solely in the Bible.
Edit to add: also, if it were the case that every individual could read scripture on their own and come to understand the authoritative truth, everyone would agree on doctrine. But instead, Protestants are all over the place and believe all manner of different things. This is because we are not the authority on God's Word, nor are we capable of fully understanding It on our own.
to just assume the Bible is all we should look to for authority, is unproven.
Proof pre-supposes God. God has conveyed His word through history.
I see your issue, you don't believe God is sovereign enough to convey His word. That's not the God of scripture and certainly not the one I believe in.
"Test everything against scripture" is literally in the Bible. You are saying the apostles were wrong.
Yes, and all doctrine of the Church can be tested against the Bible and be found to be fully compatible and non-contradictory.
The Church is one of the only pieces of history that still actively exists. Sounds like you're arguing my point for me here.
You are such a nasty, uncharitable person. Downvote every comment. Throw accusations. And argue in a way clearly meant to shove your point of view down everyone else's throats. You categorically refuse to acknowledge or debate any point made that doesn't benefit your argument in some way.
You treat God like politics and it shows.
Now answer my questions or leave. Why do protestants all believe different things if God is accurately conveying His Word to them? Your toxic accusation that I believe He can't is laughable and patently false; He can, He just clearly doesn't in the way you claim. And you have failed completely and utterly to in any way show that He does.
If all the doctrines of the church can be tested against scripture, then how about praying to Mary and saints, or selling indulgences, or homosexual priests and marriage?
Why has the doctrine of your church changed throughout the century?
Was it not right then or is it not right now?
You know I can think of another group of people from the Bible that elevated their traditions over the word of God... What were they called again? Oh yeah Pharisees.
Sure I'll answer your question. Just give me specific examples.
Wait so you're saying "Sola Scriptura" which means our standards should come from scripture alone...... isn't in the Bible which means you are advocating that my standard should only come from scripture? That's a long way around of saying you agree with me.... or you're a hypocrite.
"The Bible" isn't in the Bible either bud. Neither is the trinity, and yet we can rub a couple of brain cells together and understand it.
All the people who rubbed those brain cells together were Catholics. As I said, every foundational belief of Christianity comes from Catholics.
No, not really. The Bible does not tell us the correct way to view the Bible, so Sola Scriptura is false, is what I'm saying. My comment here was meant as a semi-comprehensive defense of the Church. My ultimate point is that the authority of the Church is what validates the Bible. The Church must have authority for the Bible to have authority.
Further, to just assume the Bible is all we should look to for authority, is unproven. It requires deeper examination than just assuming it is the default position unless proven otherwise.
I mean, who are we to decide how things should be and which things require evidence versus which things are assumed to be the case in lieu of evidence? That's for God to decide. And the fact the Bible doesn't say anything on itself is to me simply more evidence that the verification of the Bible is not solely contained in the Bible. If Sola Scriptura is correct, it would make an awful lot of sense to put everything solely in the Bible.
Edit to add: also, if it were the case that every individual could read scripture on their own and come to understand the authoritative truth, everyone would agree on doctrine. But instead, Protestants are all over the place and believe all manner of different things. This is because we are not the authority on God's Word, nor are we capable of fully understanding It on our own.
Proof pre-supposes God. God has conveyed His word through history.
I see your issue, you don't believe God is sovereign enough to convey His word. That's not the God of scripture and certainly not the one I believe in.
"Test everything against scripture" is literally in the Bible. You are saying the apostles were wrong.
Yes, and all doctrine of the Church can be tested against the Bible and be found to be fully compatible and non-contradictory.
The Church is one of the only pieces of history that still actively exists. Sounds like you're arguing my point for me here.
You are such a nasty, uncharitable person. Downvote every comment. Throw accusations. And argue in a way clearly meant to shove your point of view down everyone else's throats. You categorically refuse to acknowledge or debate any point made that doesn't benefit your argument in some way.
You treat God like politics and it shows.
Now answer my questions or leave. Why do protestants all believe different things if God is accurately conveying His Word to them? Your toxic accusation that I believe He can't is laughable and patently false; He can, He just clearly doesn't in the way you claim. And you have failed completely and utterly to in any way show that He does.
If all the doctrines of the church can be tested against scripture, then how about praying to Mary and saints, or selling indulgences, or homosexual priests and marriage?
Why has the doctrine of your church changed throughout the century?
Was it not right then or is it not right now?
You know I can think of another group of people from the Bible that elevated their traditions over the word of God... What were they called again? Oh yeah Pharisees.
Sure I'll answer your question. Just give me specific examples.