Pope Francis Fires Bishop For Being Too Catholic
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Cyprian (200 years from Christ) > some random guy (2000 years away from Christ)
Early Christians are clear, Peter is the rock. It is you who are deceived.
Just like a catholic to use anything but scripture to make their arguments, so pathetic
"Hey everyone, what Christ said doesn't matter, what matters is what everyone after him said!"
That's you
What Christ said does matter, which is why early Christians like Cyprian and Origen take the exact same Scripture and give an interpretation completely contrary to some random guy on the internet.
Cyprian (200 years from Christ) & Origen (200 years from Christ) >>> some random guy (2000 years from Christ)
You're contradicting yourself. If what Christ said mattered to you, you would take his word for it that he is the rock the church is founded on like he said. There's no other way to interpret that unless you're Satan. Instead you prefer the opinion of a sinner you do not know. Peak Catholicism.
Citing Origen doesn't help your case nearly as much as you think it does.
He was a blatant heretic who fabricated a bunch of nonsense that has no biblical support whatsoever, such as the preexistence of souls and universal salvation. His entire life's work boiled down to trying to force Christian teachings into the mold of pagan Greek philosophy.
I don't trust Origen to interpret scripture for the same reason that I don't trust Arius or Mohamed. How far removed one is from the time of Christ has no bearing on the accuracy of one's reading of Christ's words.
the fact that origen was a heretic only strengthens the case because even a heretic understood that Peter is the Rock. there is no other interpretation of Mt.16. I could cite 40 other Church Fathers who were not heretics but legit saints.
"anything but scripture".
When Christ says "this rock" he's referring to himself. If he was referring to Peter he would have said, upon you, or upon Peter, or upon thee. He says "this rock". It's cut and dry.
1 Corinth 10: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
early Christians reading bible >>> random guy 2000 years later reading bible