I thought an apostle means 'one who is sent' and the christian context sent to establish a new God worshipping community, sadly it seems to have become one to wishes to exercise power/control over others in that community.
BTW the Psalm which Paul uses to support his Ephesians 4 list, is Psalm 68 BUT Paul misquotes the psalm which says that men gave gifts to Christ as He ascended NOT Christ gave gifts to men as Paul misuses the scripture.
I dont dispute that God or rather the Holy Spirit per Corinthians gives the gifts as He see fit but Ephesians is in conflict with both the Psalms and Pauls own arguments in Corinthians.
Paul - anything else would mean we have no idea how true the Bible is. I checked the LXX and it translates the Psalm as the standard Bible. Don't forget Paul also said don't worry if food sacrificed to idols just pray over it - Revelation 2:20 (NKJV) Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Either way it means we we have no idea how true the Bible is because Paul wrote a good hunk of the Bible. So I don't get the point. Do you throw out everything Paul said? There were times I found it dubious that he, all of a sudden, switched from pursuing Christians to being the main one but then again, I realize how powerful an encounter with Christ like that is.
Also I don't think that what Paul said disagrees with what John wrote in Revelation 2:20 because Paul said to pray over it. It's not the same thing as eating it directly. I doubt that sacrificing something to idols makes it damned for eternity. If you pray over it, surely God will undo whatever damage the idols have done, no?
I thought an apostle means 'one who is sent' and the christian context sent to establish a new God worshipping community, sadly it seems to have become one to wishes to exercise power/control over others in that community.
BTW the Psalm which Paul uses to support his Ephesians 4 list, is Psalm 68 BUT Paul misquotes the psalm which says that men gave gifts to Christ as He ascended NOT Christ gave gifts to men as Paul misuses the scripture.
I dont dispute that God or rather the Holy Spirit per Corinthians gives the gifts as He see fit but Ephesians is in conflict with both the Psalms and Pauls own arguments in Corinthians.
Do you think it's Paul or the way things were translated through time?
Paul - anything else would mean we have no idea how true the Bible is. I checked the LXX and it translates the Psalm as the standard Bible. Don't forget Paul also said don't worry if food sacrificed to idols just pray over it - Revelation 2:20 (NKJV) Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
Either way it means we we have no idea how true the Bible is because Paul wrote a good hunk of the Bible. So I don't get the point. Do you throw out everything Paul said? There were times I found it dubious that he, all of a sudden, switched from pursuing Christians to being the main one but then again, I realize how powerful an encounter with Christ like that is.
Also I don't think that what Paul said disagrees with what John wrote in Revelation 2:20 because Paul said to pray over it. It's not the same thing as eating it directly. I doubt that sacrificing something to idols makes it damned for eternity. If you pray over it, surely God will undo whatever damage the idols have done, no?