I’d love to have a discussion. I keep hearing “The military can’t do anything on American soil
You're basically asking about a coup. What would it take for the American military to participate in a coup? Which would end American democracy. The question is what would it take for the US soldiers to violate their oath to support and defend the Constitution, participate in a coup and end our constitutional republic?
What does an oath mean to you?
In your scenario, you're arguing that US could become some form of Nazi Germany. In your scenario, you're advocating a power that the government and the cops don't have. And that the courts go along with it. And the police go along with it. And essentially the people wait for military. That all checks on power are abandoned
There's tons of things different between the US and Nazi Germany, for one thing, your scenario would cause a giant upheaval, which would mean, they would have to enact this scenario including all legal battles within a couple of years, because in reality a massively unpopular thing, would mean people would get voted out of office and the laws would change.
One difference between the US and Nazi Germany and a problem with your scenario, while there were concentration camps in Germany, none of the death camps were. They built the death camps in Poland. They wanted to hide the reality from regular Germans. The death camps were the results of Hitler being a dictator for almost a decade. they weren't the starting point. The death camps started in 1941 in another country. Hitler as dictator began in 1933. Hitler's full control of the army began August 1, 1934.
So I would argue that the military violating their oath to the Constitution is more likely TO LEAD to death camps.
To implement the ‘ Final Solution ’, the Nazis established six purpose built extermination camps on Polish soil.
That’s for the history lesson but, I wasn’t talking about 1930’s Nazi Germany, I was using it as a metaphor for what’s going on here. Ok smarty pants, let me give u another scenario. Congress and the senate passes a law that Lizard people can eat humans at will, everyone laughs because it such a stupid law and “can’t happen”. The next day every politician in the US sheds their skin and it’s revealed they are lizard people and start eating people. Let’s say in this hypothetical scenario 100% of the military are non Lizard people. Would they throw up their hands and go “u voted for this”. 😂 Also do you not think they are shredding the constitution now?
Again in your example, the cops, the courts, etc go along with the lizard people eating humans. And the Constitution somehow covers some other species. That's a little far fetched to me.
My larger point is having a military faithful to their oath is a barrier against tyranny.
It's clearly illegal for the military to start arresting people. I don't think the parallels with Nazi Germany go in the same directions. The round up and detain people would MUCH MORE likely happen against an unpopular minority.....see the Japanese in WWII.
You're basically asking about a coup. What would it take for the American military to participate in a coup? Which would end American democracy. The question is what would it take for the US soldiers to violate their oath to support and defend the Constitution, participate in a coup and end our constitutional republic?
What does an oath mean to you?
In your scenario, you're arguing that US could become some form of Nazi Germany. In your scenario, you're advocating a power that the government and the cops don't have. And that the courts go along with it. And the police go along with it. And essentially the people wait for military. That all checks on power are abandoned
There's tons of things different between the US and Nazi Germany, for one thing, your scenario would cause a giant upheaval, which would mean, they would have to enact this scenario including all legal battles within a couple of years, because in reality a massively unpopular thing, would mean people would get voted out of office and the laws would change.
One difference between the US and Nazi Germany and a problem with your scenario, while there were concentration camps in Germany, none of the death camps were. They built the death camps in Poland. They wanted to hide the reality from regular Germans. The death camps were the results of Hitler being a dictator for almost a decade. they weren't the starting point. The death camps started in 1941 in another country. Hitler as dictator began in 1933. Hitler's full control of the army began August 1, 1934.
So I would argue that the military violating their oath to the Constitution is more likely TO LEAD to death camps.
That’s for the history lesson but, I wasn’t talking about 1930’s Nazi Germany, I was using it as a metaphor for what’s going on here. Ok smarty pants, let me give u another scenario. Congress and the senate passes a law that Lizard people can eat humans at will, everyone laughs because it such a stupid law and “can’t happen”. The next day every politician in the US sheds their skin and it’s revealed they are lizard people and start eating people. Let’s say in this hypothetical scenario 100% of the military are non Lizard people. Would they throw up their hands and go “u voted for this”. 😂 Also do you not think they are shredding the constitution now?
Gee, another relevant example.
Again in your example, the cops, the courts, etc go along with the lizard people eating humans. And the Constitution somehow covers some other species. That's a little far fetched to me.
My larger point is having a military faithful to their oath is a barrier against tyranny.
So the first scenario isn’t relevant?
I don't think it's realistic.
It's clearly illegal for the military to start arresting people. I don't think the parallels with Nazi Germany go in the same directions. The round up and detain people would MUCH MORE likely happen against an unpopular minority.....see the Japanese in WWII.