The UFO Deception Explosion of December 2023—Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, David Grusch, & Much More
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I get to say whatever I think is true. No man or group of men can force me to believe other than I do. I think your church is wack—it lacks the miracles that prove its continued authenticity in my mind, among other things (your protestant offshoots suffer the same malady unfortunately, and give too much weight to your scriptures as the Pharisees did of old), but I think if you dig deep you can find God through it anyway, for God is no respecter of persons, or group of persons. He works with us according to our faith and our faith is enhanced through righteousness and the broadening of our minds and the creative exercising of our faith. I won’t blame you for where you are now. Dig deep past the dogma and you’ll find God just the same.
Cool, but God doesn't care what you think is true. He does care about your soul, though, and wants you to live forever. So He logically provided a way for us to know Truth and to follow Christ with the knowledge of what that means.
You won't find God by saying "whatever [you] think is true". You'll find Him by giving up your will and following His will. The question should be, what is His will? How do we find that out?
What we shouldn't be doing is worshiping the self, or some fantasy version of God that everyone can worship their own way and get to the same place (so worshiping self with extra steps). All of that is why the world is so bad in the first place.
Edit: Also, the only miracle that's needed to prove the Church is the fact that an institution supposedly run by Man has lasted for 2000 years. I mean this with all respect, but to think that Man could achieve such a thing is patently retarded. The Church is clearly still around because it's ultimately run by God, not Man.
Thanks for the speech but I could have heard the same one by walking into any Mormon Church. They too think the longevity of their church is proof of something and it’s been around 1/10 as long as yours. Ohhhthose pesky Muslims do as well and they’re fairly old themselves. Oh yes. And the Jews. Afraid they got you beat on that measuring stick (I know, you’ll say “But the Jews went astray so God sent his Son to start a new church and that’s the one we should follow.” But see there’s the rub, the same evidence against the Jews that shows they went astray applied to the Catholics too. It’s literally the justification for Mormonism’s existence: Catholicism fell into apostasy, like the Jews before them, so God called a new prophet, Joseph Smith, to restore what was lost).
Fun, huh? Keep banging that drum “boy-who never-read-a-history-book”. Nothing drowns out the Holy Spirit quite like a drum. Maybe you should etch a lightning bolt scar on your forehead and the rest of Christianity might actually listen to your ridiculous assertions.
No, Christ did not come to start something completely different. All the Jews became Christians. They're following the same God they always did. Only a select few continue to reject Him. They also aren't the biblical Jews, so they aren't old.
Islam is a laughable fabrication. It can be debunked in two sentences: 1. The Quran says that it is nothing without the Bible, and to follow it always. 2. The Bible debunks the Quran.
The Mormon Church isn't old, as you say. It also isn't similar to the Jew/Christian distinction, as I explained. It also, same as all the others, was not started by Jesus Christ during His earthly ministry.
So no, these aren't the same just because they claim to be. The argument that other people claim to be old is weak. The age is not the only aspect. Older is not better. But in this case, we can verify the evidence, and it all points to the Catholic Church. Not the Mormon church, not Islam, and not modern Judaism.
Basically, if we are going to investigate the idea that a One True Church exists, and that it has been preserved by God, it becomes quickly evident that the only good candidate is the Roman Catholic Church. Once again, the only institution to last so long. Judaism is not an institution, Islam is not an institution, and Mormonism isn't old and has no Apostolic succession.
So yea, real fun stuff. I do indeed have quite a bit of fun discussing these topics. I certainly hope I can convince others, but it's also just enjoyable to refine my own arguments. And, as always, see if there's anything convincing being argued that might change my own mind.
Also, your level of disdain is palpable. That you so clearly despise the things I'm saying is very much not of the spirit. The Holy Spirit resides in the Church. God's Church. At least regarding authority. Otherwise, everyone would come to the same conclusions through the guidance of the Spirit. This doesn't happen, because the Church isn't giving Pastor Bob authoritative knowledge on scripture, so he inevitably disagrees with Pastor Jim on almost everything.
And I'm good, Christianity has agreed with (and continues to agree with) me for the last 2000 years.
All the Jews became Christians??? LOL how old are you?