None of what is right? EV’s cost way to much, the batteries are made in China, they have trouble charging in cold weather, the EV’s lithium batteries are not recyclable, fossil fuels are used to charge them, there are not enough charging stations, etc. Are you saying none of this is true? EV may work fine in 15 minute cities if you have a charger, because they don’t go far. Do you work for an EV manufacturer or are you a brain washed liberal? It is bad enough that with computer chips in all new model cars now, the government knows exactly where you are and you can easily be shut down. With electric vehicles it is far easier-just make all charging stations inoperable. If everyone was required to drive an EV and give up gas vehicles, those who could afford one might have a difficult time charging them. It would take multi millions to install all of the charging stations needed nationwide.
You're wrong about them not being able to charge in the cold, they charge just fine in the cold when the batteries are pre conditioned. The problem is you had a bunch of retarded dogbrains in Chicago that don't know how to properly operate their EV's and tried to charge them without pre conditioning (Warming up) the batteries. This won't be a problem at all when better battery tech comes out that doesn't rely solely on liquid lithium.
15 minute cities because they don't go very far is another one of your completely wrong statements that's quite retarded, and makes me think you have a sub room temperature IQ. The most popular EV is by far the Tesla model Y with 300 miles of range gives you about 3 hours of driving so I don't know where the confusion comes from with 15 minute cities. Once again this won't be a problem with better battery tech.
Most new ICE vehicles are loaded up with computer chips out the ass too recently it came out that Companies such as the General Motors Co., Honda Motor Co. Ltd., the Kia Corp. and more, have been using the data from connected cars to compile a behavioral profile of the driver and selling it to insurance companies. You think only EV's are susceptible to this shady shit? I at least trust Elon much more than I trust Kia, and GM. Maybe you should support Tesla and Elon as he is the only confirmed NON woke car maker.
You want to keep buying your shitty Ford's and Chevys from these woke shitbirds, go ahead. Do you honestly think that only EV's will be susceptible to the government being able to turn off your car, are you dumb?
Every new ICE vehicle will also have the the ability to track your car, and turn off your car just like EV's will have if the shitstains in congress allow it.
No, it won't take multi millions to install all the charging stations needed worldwide because most people will be charging their EV's at home. Once EV batteries are improved to 400-500 miles of range charging on the road won't be needed barely at all.
Nobody should be required to drive an EV. The market should decide, and EV's will dominate the market once better batteries are here because they are superior to ICE vehicles in every way. Unfortunately we have a retarded pedophile in the White House trying to shove them down everyones' throats, and his faggot cabinet is too short sighted to see the battery tech isn't there yet.
#1: No need for insults-Did I say you were stupid for wanting an EV? You have a right to your opinion, as do I. #2: I do know that cars can be tracked; I believe I stated all newer cars with computer chips can be tracked. Insurance companies will give a discount if you sign up for their “Safe Driver” programs. #3: You keep saying in the future batteries will provide better mileage and be more efficient, that is hypothetical. We do not know for certain how the cars batteries will work in the future. #4: Currently the cars are expensive and EV’s rely on lithium batteries produced in China. #5: “In the future, you will charge your car from home.” True, but another expense for EV owners and once again uses electricity to charge, at what expense? #6: As far as I know, there is currently zero mechanism for recycling the expensive lithium batteries when they are defunct. #7: On one thing you are correct, people should have a choice: continue with gasoline powered cars, hybrids, EV’s, or perhaps another alternative in the future. Shoving the EV as mandatory down our throats is not choice in a republic. #8: There actually have been quite a few reports of chargers not working in the cold. I guess if you are in Florida, California, Hawaii or Texas that isn’t a problem. #9: EV’s are more expensive than gas powered cars. There is no environmental benefit. But there is a benefit to those invested in or owning stock in the EV market, if it is made mandatory that all vehicles sold by say 2030 are EV’s. One more thing. It always surprises me when individuals have to resort to insults during the attempt to “inform” someone. I hope it makes you feel you are very wise and informed. Enjoy your EV.
Sorry for insults, but I was already getting attacked on this thread for trying to clear up the misinformation that people were spewing about them. The sheer amount of misinformation that is being thrown around about them everywhere is maddening. They're getting hit from both sides because mainstream media wants to ruin Elon, destroy Tesla, and Twitter. Then Trump supporters are raging against them because the shitbirds in the Biden admin keep forcing them on people. I don't blame our side for hating them because of Biden but they're passing around misinformation about them and most people are upvoting bad information because they hate EV's thanks to leftist freaks and their communist climate change agenda.
I don't like EV's because I think they're better for the environment I like them because of their superior smooth acceleration, low maintenance, and advanced tech. I also hate going to the gas station, I'd rather charge at home. I used to drive an Audi that ate oil crazy, then one day the engine blew because of sludge in the Engine, thanks to poor design on a ICE vehicle that should never happen because it's had 100 years to perfect.
Better EV batteries are more than just hypothetical they're being diligently worked on, but they may not pan out the way I'm hoping they do. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think I am.
EV owners in Norway have no problem charging and using their cars in the cold, Norway one of the coldest places has some of the highest adoption of EV's in the world. There are stories of the EV chargers not working in the cold that was blown up in the media like crazy because of hatred for Elon and Tesla. A few months ago I stopped at a gas station, and the pumps were broken, I almost ran out of gas trying to get to the next station. Should there be a national news story and outrage about it? Absolutely not, but when it happens to Tesla it becomes national news. People on here are losing their basic reasoning skills to rage against EV's, and it's disgusting.
No apology needed. We all must stick together and consider each other’s opinions. Thank you for the info. regarding battery recycling. Only by listening to each other do we expand our learning and thinking. Have a great day! My best to you.
The big thing with these newer cars, especially the EV's is control. They can control your access to fuel them. Same can be said for gas and diesel, but not to the extent of electric cars. Add to that, some of the new car makers are also publishing your driving characteristics to the insurance companies.
The very first thing I would do with a new car is delete that uplink module - find the grey / black market hacks that disable it's functionality. In the interim, I will drive my old non connected car :-)
How many ways can you make gasoline?
How many ways can you generally electric power?
Drive what you want. Your choice. But you should look back at what has happened in the last decade in batteries is more than what has changed in the last 150 years.
It’s fundamentally changing, is the EV the perfect answer for everyone? Nope. But for some it makes sense. Consider I have a 125 mile daily commute. With gas upwards of $3/gallon, EV may be a worthwhile choice
More of them remotely shutting it off because it's connected. I get the concept. I also get the concept of being off-grid with a power wall / power bank and generating your own energy. I am all for it will be doing that piece in the very near future. But the point of auto manufactures having full access to my car as it was legislated on ICE and electric cars, is concerning because I have less than zero faith in the government as proven over the past two or three years.
I know that Rich and other folks have gotten further down into the coding on Teslas, if there was a solution to turn off that access, I would feel more comfortable. I am sure you could unplug a module etc, I just do not know the downstream implications of that approach.
As far as battery tech, couldn't agree more. It's a great local solution and have zero issues with it. I build shit with 18650's and probably have a few thousand of them around the casa now. I am not adverse to the tech. I am adverse to the abilities of big brother causing loss of freedom.
P.S. Mixed fleet (I have a lot of vehicles) Both a mix of petrol and diesel. I have had grease (WVO) cars prior, so yes, I can produce a large enough volume if needed.
None of what is right? EV’s cost way to much, the batteries are made in China, they have trouble charging in cold weather, the EV’s lithium batteries are not recyclable, fossil fuels are used to charge them, there are not enough charging stations, etc. Are you saying none of this is true? EV may work fine in 15 minute cities if you have a charger, because they don’t go far. Do you work for an EV manufacturer or are you a brain washed liberal? It is bad enough that with computer chips in all new model cars now, the government knows exactly where you are and you can easily be shut down. With electric vehicles it is far easier-just make all charging stations inoperable. If everyone was required to drive an EV and give up gas vehicles, those who could afford one might have a difficult time charging them. It would take multi millions to install all of the charging stations needed nationwide.
You're wrong about them not being able to charge in the cold, they charge just fine in the cold when the batteries are pre conditioned. The problem is you had a bunch of retarded dogbrains in Chicago that don't know how to properly operate their EV's and tried to charge them without pre conditioning (Warming up) the batteries. This won't be a problem at all when better battery tech comes out that doesn't rely solely on liquid lithium.
15 minute cities because they don't go very far is another one of your completely wrong statements that's quite retarded, and makes me think you have a sub room temperature IQ. The most popular EV is by far the Tesla model Y with 300 miles of range gives you about 3 hours of driving so I don't know where the confusion comes from with 15 minute cities. Once again this won't be a problem with better battery tech.
Most new ICE vehicles are loaded up with computer chips out the ass too recently it came out that Companies such as the General Motors Co., Honda Motor Co. Ltd., the Kia Corp. and more, have been using the data from connected cars to compile a behavioral profile of the driver and selling it to insurance companies. You think only EV's are susceptible to this shady shit? I at least trust Elon much more than I trust Kia, and GM. Maybe you should support Tesla and Elon as he is the only confirmed NON woke car maker.
You want to keep buying your shitty Ford's and Chevys from these woke shitbirds, go ahead. Do you honestly think that only EV's will be susceptible to the government being able to turn off your car, are you dumb? Every new ICE vehicle will also have the the ability to track your car, and turn off your car just like EV's will have if the shitstains in congress allow it.
No, it won't take multi millions to install all the charging stations needed worldwide because most people will be charging their EV's at home. Once EV batteries are improved to 400-500 miles of range charging on the road won't be needed barely at all.
Nobody should be required to drive an EV. The market should decide, and EV's will dominate the market once better batteries are here because they are superior to ICE vehicles in every way. Unfortunately we have a retarded pedophile in the White House trying to shove them down everyones' throats, and his faggot cabinet is too short sighted to see the battery tech isn't there yet.
#1: No need for insults-Did I say you were stupid for wanting an EV? You have a right to your opinion, as do I. #2: I do know that cars can be tracked; I believe I stated all newer cars with computer chips can be tracked. Insurance companies will give a discount if you sign up for their “Safe Driver” programs. #3: You keep saying in the future batteries will provide better mileage and be more efficient, that is hypothetical. We do not know for certain how the cars batteries will work in the future. #4: Currently the cars are expensive and EV’s rely on lithium batteries produced in China. #5: “In the future, you will charge your car from home.” True, but another expense for EV owners and once again uses electricity to charge, at what expense? #6: As far as I know, there is currently zero mechanism for recycling the expensive lithium batteries when they are defunct. #7: On one thing you are correct, people should have a choice: continue with gasoline powered cars, hybrids, EV’s, or perhaps another alternative in the future. Shoving the EV as mandatory down our throats is not choice in a republic. #8: There actually have been quite a few reports of chargers not working in the cold. I guess if you are in Florida, California, Hawaii or Texas that isn’t a problem. #9: EV’s are more expensive than gas powered cars. There is no environmental benefit. But there is a benefit to those invested in or owning stock in the EV market, if it is made mandatory that all vehicles sold by say 2030 are EV’s. One more thing. It always surprises me when individuals have to resort to insults during the attempt to “inform” someone. I hope it makes you feel you are very wise and informed. Enjoy your EV.
Sorry for insults, but I was already getting attacked on this thread for trying to clear up the misinformation that people were spewing about them. The sheer amount of misinformation that is being thrown around about them everywhere is maddening. They're getting hit from both sides because mainstream media wants to ruin Elon, destroy Tesla, and Twitter. Then Trump supporters are raging against them because the shitbirds in the Biden admin keep forcing them on people. I don't blame our side for hating them because of Biden but they're passing around misinformation about them and most people are upvoting bad information because they hate EV's thanks to leftist freaks and their communist climate change agenda.
I don't like EV's because I think they're better for the environment I like them because of their superior smooth acceleration, low maintenance, and advanced tech. I also hate going to the gas station, I'd rather charge at home. I used to drive an Audi that ate oil crazy, then one day the engine blew because of sludge in the Engine, thanks to poor design on a ICE vehicle that should never happen because it's had 100 years to perfect.
Better EV batteries are more than just hypothetical they're being diligently worked on, but they may not pan out the way I'm hoping they do. I could be wrong on that, but I don't think I am.
You can recycle batteries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ
EV owners in Norway have no problem charging and using their cars in the cold, Norway one of the coldest places has some of the highest adoption of EV's in the world. There are stories of the EV chargers not working in the cold that was blown up in the media like crazy because of hatred for Elon and Tesla. A few months ago I stopped at a gas station, and the pumps were broken, I almost ran out of gas trying to get to the next station. Should there be a national news story and outrage about it? Absolutely not, but when it happens to Tesla it becomes national news. People on here are losing their basic reasoning skills to rage against EV's, and it's disgusting.
Sorry for insulting you.
No apology needed. We all must stick together and consider each other’s opinions. Thank you for the info. regarding battery recycling. Only by listening to each other do we expand our learning and thinking. Have a great day! My best to you.
The big thing with these newer cars, especially the EV's is control. They can control your access to fuel them. Same can be said for gas and diesel, but not to the extent of electric cars. Add to that, some of the new car makers are also publishing your driving characteristics to the insurance companies.
https://tflcar.com/2024/03/connected-car-driver-information-sharing-insurance-companies-report/
The very first thing I would do with a new car is delete that uplink module - find the grey / black market hacks that disable it's functionality. In the interim, I will drive my old non connected car :-)
How many ways can you make gasoline? How many ways can you generally electric power?
Drive what you want. Your choice. But you should look back at what has happened in the last decade in batteries is more than what has changed in the last 150 years.
It’s fundamentally changing, is the EV the perfect answer for everyone? Nope. But for some it makes sense. Consider I have a 125 mile daily commute. With gas upwards of $3/gallon, EV may be a worthwhile choice
More of them remotely shutting it off because it's connected. I get the concept. I also get the concept of being off-grid with a power wall / power bank and generating your own energy. I am all for it will be doing that piece in the very near future. But the point of auto manufactures having full access to my car as it was legislated on ICE and electric cars, is concerning because I have less than zero faith in the government as proven over the past two or three years.
I know that Rich and other folks have gotten further down into the coding on Teslas, if there was a solution to turn off that access, I would feel more comfortable. I am sure you could unplug a module etc, I just do not know the downstream implications of that approach.
As far as battery tech, couldn't agree more. It's a great local solution and have zero issues with it. I build shit with 18650's and probably have a few thousand of them around the casa now. I am not adverse to the tech. I am adverse to the abilities of big brother causing loss of freedom.
P.S. Mixed fleet (I have a lot of vehicles) Both a mix of petrol and diesel. I have had grease (WVO) cars prior, so yes, I can produce a large enough volume if needed.