TL;DR: A guy claims the two studies Steve mentions are not valid. Steve wants to debate this claim but the guy wants to be payed first. And then he claims Steve is a meme.
Or… Steve puts out $25k challenge: show evidence a pharma product is harmful in return for $25k. Dude provides solid evidence, claims his $25k. Steve makes it about a debate, hand-waving the evidence. Dude is pissed and makes memes.
This is the question. Who decides its "solid evidence"? Just self-proclaiming that its "solid" does not make it solid. Ultimately they have to debate to figure out whether it has merits or not.
So far its all just one sided - all 3 links you posted are from the guy.
Oh, I would expect Steve will respond publicly - his followers (myself as a paid subscriber included) are demanding it.
Adjusted timeline:
Steve: “Fluvoxamine is awesome. Show me evidence to prove me wrong and I will pay you $25k.”
Dude: “Here is evidence of harms and deaths from reputable studies that I consider solid. Where’s my cash?”
Steve: “Not so fast. You have to debate me publicly.”
Dude: “A debate wasn’t included in the original wager. You’re obfuscating. I will meme you.”
Here is evidence of harms and deaths from reputable studies that I consider solid.
Point to me the studies you say he linked. Not blog articles, not opinion pieces, not observational studies, not letters to editors, not stories of his neighbours, but studies of the same quality he is demanding - double blinded clinical studies.
TL;DR: A guy claims the two studies Steve mentions are not valid. Steve wants to debate this claim but the guy wants to be payed first. And then he claims Steve is a meme.
Or… Steve puts out $25k challenge: show evidence a pharma product is harmful in return for $25k. Dude provides solid evidence, claims his $25k. Steve makes it about a debate, hand-waving the evidence. Dude is pissed and makes memes.
This is the question. Who decides its "solid evidence"? Just self-proclaiming that its "solid" does not make it solid. Ultimately they have to debate to figure out whether it has merits or not.
So far its all just one sided - all 3 links you posted are from the guy.
"I am right"
"Give me money"
"You are a meme"
Oh, I would expect Steve will respond publicly - his followers (myself as a paid subscriber included) are demanding it.
Adjusted timeline:
Steve: “Fluvoxamine is awesome. Show me evidence to prove me wrong and I will pay you $25k.”
Dude: “Here is evidence of harms and deaths from reputable studies that I consider solid. Where’s my cash?” Steve: “Not so fast. You have to debate me publicly.”
Dude: “A debate wasn’t included in the original wager. You’re obfuscating. I will meme you.”
Point to me the studies you say he linked. Not blog articles, not opinion pieces, not observational studies, not letters to editors, not stories of his neighbours, but studies of the same quality he is demanding - double blinded clinical studies.