EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Summoned to Vatican to be Excommunicated
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Jesus did claim to be God tho?
John 8:58 John 10:30 John 20:28 John 1:1 John 10:33 Matthew 4:7 Luke 4:12 Revelation 22:13
Imagine claiming OTHER people aren't Christians while espousing blatant Gnostic heresies refuted in the New Testament.
Educate yourself!!
Jn. 8:58 - claims he existed before Abraham, which can be explained as God having a son before Abraham was alive.
Jn. 10:30 - claims to be "one with the Father" (see: https://biblehub.com/greek/1520.htm to dig into the word used for one) this is not an automatic "I am Him" statement.
Jn. 20:28 - Thomas called him his Lord and God. Does Thomas' statement have enough weight to make the stretch? Up to you. Many of his disciples had wrong impressions of various aspects of his ministry, and not all were openly refuted by Jesus.
Jn 1:1 - The only one you posted which possibly could mean Jesus is God Himself.
Jn. 10:33 - Jesus told the devil that it's a sin to "test the Lord your God" , because the devil was compelling Jesus to jump off a cliff and see if angels would rescue him. Who exactly is being tested by this act to see if they'd help Jesus? Think about it.
Lk. 4:12 - Same as Jn. 10:33
Rev. 22:13 - Jesus is the alpha and omega, beginning and end. Was it not said something along the lines of "God created the worlds THROUGH him (his son)? So we have Creator and we have Maker (the one who does the work according to the Creator's plan)
I ask you, is being regarded equal with someone the same as you being that someone?
Why did Jesus pray to the Father if he was the Father? Why has "all authority in heaven and on earth" been given to Jesus if he was the one who gave it to him? Who had it before?
Jesus "ascended into Heaven and sat down at the right hand of the Father" - how is this possible if Jesus was the Father?? He sat down at his own right hand?
I must address one point of yours directly:
I disagree that the NT refuted them, that they are heretical, and that even if you were right, that somehow I'd lose MY RIGHT to call out Babylonian paganism wrapped in Christ's name! I also clearly stated that I could be wrong in my earlier comment above. This isn't a topic which alters the doctrines Christ taught us, so it shouldn't be one for Christian division, in my opinion.
edit- I assume the downvote will be accompanied by a response? Hello fren let's discuss, it shouldn't be hard and I don't bite! Well if I do I usually get convicted on the inside and relent my ego out of it 🥲
Funny how God would send us a new testament warning us about Gnostic false teachers just so people can embrace these same lies 2000 years later. Your view of Jesus is basically identical to Islam, except they don't agree he was the son of God.
My view of Jesus is:
He was and is the Messiah promised to Israel & by extension the rest of the world. And yes, he came in the flesh.
He was and is God's son, the "first born of many bretheren", hence the "big brother" term I used. He perfectly represented God's true character to us unholy men. God is holy, so we needed a mediator to come back to God.
He is the Lord of all creation, a position he earned by obeying God 100%, and now has all power and authority in Heaven and on earth.
I assume we only differ on his identity as God? Explain Paul's statements here:
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I genuinely want to know if I'm wrong, but I see more evidence to my position than to yours, though I used to believe he was God. I remember those days of my walk. I would get all confused in my mind as to who to pray to lol
Now I just pray to my Dad! Jesus made it possible. When God sees me He sees Jesus, for I am also a man. Jesus made mankind as a UNIT clean in God's sight, whether they know it or not. Those who know have access to God. Those who don't? Idk. Perhaps God has some tricks up His sleeve to reach them, as we know no one comes to the Father except the son draw him, and the reverse is true at the same time, yes? Quite a thing to ponder.
Do you claim to know for a fact that your position is true? I'd like to see more evidence, lets say, from the Old Testament, which alludes to the Messiah being God Himself coming to the earth.
As I said in the initial reply, I don't know for certain. I'm open to your position being correct. Show me