EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Summoned to Vatican to be Excommunicated | The Gateway Pundit | by Guest Contributor
Guest post by Joe Hoft at JoeHoft.com – republished with permission Breaking News – Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has been summoned to the Vatican to be Excommunicated by Red Pope Francis.
Are you trolling? For a Q researcher your research skills are terrible.
John 8:58
John 10:30
John 14:9
John 20:28
John 1:1
John 1:14
Matthew 1:23
Matthew 28:18-20
John 17:5
Philippians 2:5-6
Revelation 1:8
Revelation 22:13
Colossians 2:9
Hebrews 1:3
Titus 2:13
Isaiah 9:6
Go read the Church Fathers who have already crushed all the heretical arguments you lost sheep make. St. Basil the Great addresses everything you bring up with precision in his work "On the Holy Spirit".
edit- I'll check out the work, thank you! As I said in my opening remark here I'm not 100% on this topic. I'm only relaying what I find more likely based on the passages I know.
First, I addressed most of these here: https://greatawakening.win/p/17tLAw7P7v/x/c/4ZCZxBYuFqV
Second, please explain these passages?
John 17:1-19
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Prayer for the Disciples 6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Look, if you want to talk scripture, first go through the points I made. You're looking for every reason to deny Jesus, I hope you see that.
Jesus saying he existed before Abraham and specifically uses I AM, which is what the Jews at that time would have referred to as God, being itself.
Then in John 1:1 you say "Well, that's it right there" and you still deny.
John 10:33 - Do you not understand why Jesus became the Word Incarnate in Flesh? When you figure out why Jesus came into the flesh, it'll make sense to you why He was tempted and tortured and crucified. Why he said "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me" he was referring to Psalms 22.
Every other point you're making is absurd. We have manuscripts dating to the late 1st and early 2nd centuries proving that Scripture is unchanged. If you don't believe in Scripture, then I understand why you're skeptical of all the eyewitnesses calling Jesus God. I suppose you're also skeptical of all those who were Martyred for what they believed.
Honestly, it is so refreshing seeing all of your objections because it shows me how the Holy Spirit filled the early Church and protected it from heresy. Read St. Basils "On the Holy Spirit" - it addresses every single claim you've brought up.
If you're trying to debunk Christianity, first try and understand it outside of a Protestant or anti-Catholic perspective. Start with the Church Fathers, the Cappadocian Fathers were excellent in their rebukes of heresy. The Trinity is a very simple doctrine to understand, it is clear as day that Jesus Christ is God when reading the New Testament - not even atheists scholars like Bart Ehrman deny this.
You seem to have a problem with how God speaks through a prophet.
I am a Christian. I claim God was speaking through His pure son, Jesus Christ, who was with Him in Heaven before the world was made. God had another son who did not obey Him, and we know the result. Do you not see the same template with Jacob and Esau? Anyways, I addressed most of those verses in the comment that I linked to you. For the ones I didn't address, Isaiah 9:6 is the only one which is a challenge. (I'm not going back through to see which ones I responded to as you wholeheartedly discarded everything I said about them). I will have to study and pray on Isaiah 9:6, you just may have changed my mind.
You are NOT a Christian, you are a Gnostic. Jesus Christ is NOT just a prophet or Messiah, He is the Son of God who is One with his Father and the Holy Spirit. That is the definition of Christian. You are closer in belief to Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses. You deny the Trinity and you deny Christ who said "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven".
I take it you were a Protestant that fell into Gnosticism because of a weak faith. Your willful spirit makes you reject His Church and Her traditions. The Church Fathers already addressed all of the issues the blind sheep have raised in this thread.
Prayer is good, but make sure you're praying to Jesus. Pray for your soul and for forgiveness for denying the Lord and being a prideful individual who rejected Him. The Spirit will convict you only if you come with an open and pleading heart.
Prayers of an intellectual mean nothing to the Lord.