I'm perfectly open to an alternative, but I've as of yet seen none that make any sense and aren't just total speculation themselves.
And I find it absolutely asinine to make up some fanciful story of the 4th dimensional aliens that seeded us on Earth when the obvious answer is God did it. The aliens shit, as an example, is just cope to explain away God because you really don't want it to be God.
Like, sure, I could make up some really great movie plot line too, but how the fuck is that better than the explanation that theologians, scientists, philosopher, etc. have been pondering for thousands of years? Many of whom conclude that, yes, God did do it.
And it is, as far as I currently know, 100% correct. Whenever this question about evolution is fielded, it is dodged, in spite of the fact that it is the single most important part of the theory.
I don't appreciate this aggressive approach. I can talk all day about this stuff without getting angry. You are trying to put a lot of words in my mouth too which I do not like either.
I am not interested in how many people of what background believe something. I think we are so far from the true reality that human beliefs are bound to be wrong. I try to avoid beliefs for that reason. I am interested in...evidence and reason. I am a freethinker. At least I aspire to be.
I'm hardly angry. I was a little peeved when seeing your first comment, since I don't usually expect to see such takes here, but angry is hardly my current emotion. And I didn't mean to insinuate that you think these things. That's why I said "as an example". To try to indicate that I wasn't saying you specifically believe that, just that it's something I'd heard that I don't consider plausible, as well as show an example of the kinds of alternatives I wouldn't find reasonable.
I suppose I'm simply a little blunt when it comes to these kinds of debates.
Now, with all that said, you are describing a belief. You have no evidence to make the positive claim that our current understanding of reality is inherently flawed.
And the entire basis of human progress is shared knowledge. Throw it out at your own peril, but I'd argue that's a bit narcissistic. You must believe that you're more capable or intelligent than all these great minds of the past to simply throw out their shared conclusions based on the evidence and reason.
I'm describing an outlook. I think it is a strong proposition. You think we are all the way there, huh? Given the advancements in understanding that seem to be happening in recent times I am skeptical in the extreme that we have reached anywhere near our potential to know reality.
I think we are all potentially more intelligent than anyone who has ever lived. We all have a human nervous system and I think we are in our infancy in understanding how to use it. I don't think that is narcissistic in any way. Our brains are so powerful we synthesize large parts of reality in real time based on what we think is there. It is the most advanced biological mega-powerful computer system in the known universe. We can use it far better I strongly suspect. If I had to put a number on it I would guess we use about a millionth of the potential power of the human nervous system. I don't think it is possible to verify that today. Consider it a personal hunch. That's very different than believing the bible and getting mad when someone disbelieves it. Basically I think the nun's argument and a lot of arguments about god are equivalent to stolen valor. We have the power within us. The religious paradigm seeks to take that from us and make us weak.
The problem is that we are demonstrably getting worse, not better.
Today we're sicker, dumber, weaker, and slower than ever before. Not better, stronger, smarter, faster like they claim.
You can't prove evolution. It's a completely impossible theory until the source of new genetic information can be shown. And until evolution can be proven, these claims of us improving are worse off than claims of God.
And what you're saying is exactly the same as believing the Bible. You have a hunch, no evidence, and ultimately just lean towards it based on faith. That you aren't 100% sure doesn't change this. Plenty of Christians aren't 100% sure.
There's also plenty of "advancements" that are total nonsense. I'd wager that 3/4 of all science today is just made-up fantasy. We don't even understand how light works... well we did about 100 years ago, but now we've got Modern Science to tell us the right beliefs and deboonk everything else.
And you only have to look at human nature to know that we are weak/fallen creatures. Go find some non-Christian countries, and it falls apart rapidly the further you go away from the civilized western world. But still, we are made in the image of God. What is better than that? I'd much prefer that to some equally evidenceless claims about some inherent power I possess.
I'm perfectly open to an alternative, but I've as of yet seen none that make any sense and aren't just total speculation themselves.
And I find it absolutely asinine to make up some fanciful story of the 4th dimensional aliens that seeded us on Earth when the obvious answer is God did it. The aliens shit, as an example, is just cope to explain away God because you really don't want it to be God.
Like, sure, I could make up some really great movie plot line too, but how the fuck is that better than the explanation that theologians, scientists, philosopher, etc. have been pondering for thousands of years? Many of whom conclude that, yes, God did do it.
And it is, as far as I currently know, 100% correct. Whenever this question about evolution is fielded, it is dodged, in spite of the fact that it is the single most important part of the theory.
I don't appreciate this aggressive approach. I can talk all day about this stuff without getting angry. You are trying to put a lot of words in my mouth too which I do not like either.
I am not interested in how many people of what background believe something. I think we are so far from the true reality that human beliefs are bound to be wrong. I try to avoid beliefs for that reason. I am interested in...evidence and reason. I am a freethinker. At least I aspire to be.
I'm hardly angry. I was a little peeved when seeing your first comment, since I don't usually expect to see such takes here, but angry is hardly my current emotion. And I didn't mean to insinuate that you think these things. That's why I said "as an example". To try to indicate that I wasn't saying you specifically believe that, just that it's something I'd heard that I don't consider plausible, as well as show an example of the kinds of alternatives I wouldn't find reasonable.
I suppose I'm simply a little blunt when it comes to these kinds of debates.
Now, with all that said, you are describing a belief. You have no evidence to make the positive claim that our current understanding of reality is inherently flawed.
And the entire basis of human progress is shared knowledge. Throw it out at your own peril, but I'd argue that's a bit narcissistic. You must believe that you're more capable or intelligent than all these great minds of the past to simply throw out their shared conclusions based on the evidence and reason.
I'm describing an outlook. I think it is a strong proposition. You think we are all the way there, huh? Given the advancements in understanding that seem to be happening in recent times I am skeptical in the extreme that we have reached anywhere near our potential to know reality.
I think we are all potentially more intelligent than anyone who has ever lived. We all have a human nervous system and I think we are in our infancy in understanding how to use it. I don't think that is narcissistic in any way. Our brains are so powerful we synthesize large parts of reality in real time based on what we think is there. It is the most advanced biological mega-powerful computer system in the known universe. We can use it far better I strongly suspect. If I had to put a number on it I would guess we use about a millionth of the potential power of the human nervous system. I don't think it is possible to verify that today. Consider it a personal hunch. That's very different than believing the bible and getting mad when someone disbelieves it. Basically I think the nun's argument and a lot of arguments about god are equivalent to stolen valor. We have the power within us. The religious paradigm seeks to take that from us and make us weak.
The problem is that we are demonstrably getting worse, not better.
Today we're sicker, dumber, weaker, and slower than ever before. Not better, stronger, smarter, faster like they claim.
You can't prove evolution. It's a completely impossible theory until the source of new genetic information can be shown. And until evolution can be proven, these claims of us improving are worse off than claims of God.
And what you're saying is exactly the same as believing the Bible. You have a hunch, no evidence, and ultimately just lean towards it based on faith. That you aren't 100% sure doesn't change this. Plenty of Christians aren't 100% sure.
There's also plenty of "advancements" that are total nonsense. I'd wager that 3/4 of all science today is just made-up fantasy. We don't even understand how light works... well we did about 100 years ago, but now we've got Modern Science to tell us the right beliefs and deboonk everything else.
https://www.conspiracyoflight.com/Cosmology/BigBang1.html
And you only have to look at human nature to know that we are weak/fallen creatures. Go find some non-Christian countries, and it falls apart rapidly the further you go away from the civilized western world. But still, we are made in the image of God. What is better than that? I'd much prefer that to some equally evidenceless claims about some inherent power I possess.