Had this conversation some time back (before the assn. attempt) with an extended family member (who lives in Canada), told them about "The Plan to Save America and the World".
Here were their counterpoints
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America thrived under your "deep state" leadership - economic boom, technological boom, so they aren't/weren't so bad after all
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If the so-called "White Hats" are military and they selected Donald Trump as their guy to overthrow the "deep state", aren't they just "another kind of deep state"? Where does "we the people" ever come in to play? Or is it just "elite factions" duking it out all the time over and over? Where is your "American democracy"? Was it all fake all along?
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Twitter was "a billionaire making changes as he saw fit" - once again nothing to do with "We the People"
Bear in mind, this is a person that...
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Does not like Trudeau
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Does not like mass imports of Mozzies
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Generally "supports the Conservative party"
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But then praises Trudeau for sending money to the U-shaped Crane
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And does not believe there were widespread election fraud anywhere in the West.
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Supports the mRNA clot shots but against mandates
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Does not like Trump because people around them don't like Trump
Not advice, just the truth for me: I simply removed toxic and ignorant people from my life, so much nicer.
Friends maybe easier to cut off, but family members...much tougher...
Some of mine haven't spoken to me since COVID, it's not that hard really.
No, my mom sold me as slave labor to family members, it was very easy for me to tell them all to fuck off.
Me too and my advice is to just say goodbye.
On the other hand, isn't this what they (the DS) want us to do? To divide us and turn us against our family and friends? In doing so, doesn't that let them win?
Uh no, it's what I want. I got one life to live and I ain't wasting my precious time on people who suck the life out of me. Has nothing to do with politics, it's with all things. I've been this way my whole life. The moment I became an adult (many decades ago) I removed toxic family from my life and never allowed them near me again. I did it again later with toxic friends, and again with more toxic family. You can't control people, but you can control how much time you spend with them.
the Bible recommends avoiding toxic friends and family. its very clear. just walk away.
Got a verse?
If this person is older, they are used to a "benign bureaucracy" being in charge of things. The CBC is still respected by people over 65, who are also old enough to remember "Trudeaumania" of the 1960s first hand. Canadians of that age are congenitally incapable of seeing government bureaucracy (deep state) as anything other than trustworthy and good.
Canadians have been force-fed "the state is good" stuff since Lester Pearson, and it's become an underlying way of looking at the world.
When did America thrive under the DS? Yes we thrived in the post WW2 period because all of our manufacturing was intact. That advantage ran out in the late 60’s and went to hell in the early 70’s.
We had a bit of a boom under Reagan, but it died at the hands of George H.W. Bush. Then Clinton paved the way or China to gut our middle class. Each successive Administration prior to Trump made it worse.
Yes, white hats may have approached Trump about running, but the story is he had to win on his own. They weren’t going to rig an election and be guilty of the very thing they were fighting against. If they did anything they blocked rigging for HRC so the will of the people win the day.
Trump implemented the policies that attracted people to vote for him. Can anyone list a policy he implemented that wasn’t part of his 2016 campaign?
What do you say to someone like this? Nothing.
I’d say, “I’m glad it’s not your decision.”
Pre-George Bush America thrived under president Regan, after democrat Jimmy Carter nearly destroyed the USA, in nearly the same way ByeDone has.
Bush, and Clinton only road on the coat-tails of the successful Regan era protectionist economic reforms that he put into place.
It was Bush Sr. who started the process to reverse the economic policies Regan put into place but, he was unsuccessful, because congress stopped it through a true bi-partisan effort. But he did manage to cripple American tax payers with new, higher taxes. ("Read my lips- no new taxes"). Liar.
Later, Bill Clinton continued what Bush Sr. started, and was finally able to end the Regan economic boom era through ""free" trade" agreements, which was the beginning of the end of American prosperity. Clinton also gutted funding for numerous long term, expensive science, technology, and infrastructure investments, which in turn helped to conceal the early warning signs of decline within the US economy.
Then, Bush Jr. came along, and further demolished US prosperity by funding a 20 year war in Afghanistan, and enriching MIC contractors, instead of funding the USA. Bush Jr.'s economic failures were so bad that it resulted in an absurdity whereby the US tax payers had to "bail out" many of the richest banks in the world to keep them from going out of business- the "too big to fail scam."
Then, 0bama, and we know what he did. The economy further crumbled under 0bama to the point that for the first time in history the USA credit rating score was dropped from AAA status to AA status. The Federal Reserve bank artificially rigged interest rates to help conceal the continuing economic decline that began under Bush Sr., and Clinton, with the disastrous "free trade" agreements that Donald Trump is fighting to end.
TL;DR.
American prosperity happened decades in the past, before the "free trade" deep state became fully empowered, All the deep state has done in the last 35 years is to leech off the successes of the Regan era economy to sustain it's existence- not to build our prosperity. That is why Trump, and the majority of Americans see our nation as a nation in decline, and want to Make America Great Again!
Tell them to pull their head out of their ass and move on.
But if his head is in his ass how will he hear the command?
Yell
This is a person who has never had a medical bill for anything in their entire life. Not even a copay. NEVER SEEN A BILL!
Elon did not make changes as HE saw fit.
He took our largest platform for speech and reinstated everyone who was kicked up unconstitutionally. He helped the United States with its first amendment.
There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
Changes as Elon saw fit???
He's definitely parroting similar media narratives.
I ignore them
I remember SaltyCracker saying something like this a couple years back: that Trump, Musk etc are just a group of influential rich folk who disagree with the plan for the world and are running a counter-coup. This was some time after he had rejected Q after being burned that nothing that was predicted happened by the end of Trump's first term.